Agreed, I have nothing more to add.
Yeah, i dont agree that masturbation is healthy. I think that abstaining and reserving for intimacy with someone you love is what is natural and healthy. How much more special would physical intimacy be if we reserved sexual behaviors for only one person? Your connection to that person would be much stronger.
Instead, masturbation is a self-centered, isolating activity that doesnt connect one to anyone. It’s satiating lust, not fostering love.
It can be a very addictive habit, some people like me are some people like me fully addicted. it’s hard to go any amount of time without it. Your brain treats it exactly like sex, so you get flooded with dopamine and then makes your brain crave more. Porn and masterbation are both not great.
I totally believe you!
I believe that masturbation is the sort of thing that is subjective to the person doing it. I have masturbated without p*** and it was a relieving thing. I have a friend with benefits and I have intimate feelings and things of that nature all the same without masturbation ruining it. Just like all forms of everything in the world we all have different views on it so if something works for you then I say you should continue to do what works for you.
What I did to abstain for 30 days was I kept myself busy, I didn’t masturbate for 2 weeks, and what I learned is that the NoFap is no fapping towards p***. there are different modes of the nofap but it’s up to you to choose what works best for you based on your level of addiction. For me I am staying away from p*** for good because ever since I’ve left it alone I feel 100% better in my life. masturbation only comes every once in awhile because I get to spend my time with my FWB and we are intimate and enjoy our sexual experiences so I don’t need the masturbation.
so again everything that you choose to do is up to you and you have to make the decision that’s best for you based on your information that you’ve researched and your lifestyle it’s just like religions and beliefs.
great to hear u havent watch porn, i have 48 days
Yeah, i still disagree. Youre stimulating nurologic sensors inappropriately. Fooling your brain and warping your view of what is actually healthy and good for you.
That’s fine if you disagree. I know how I feel in my body and towards those I am intimate with. I continue looking up the research on masturbation and why it exists amongst Humans and within the Animal Kingdom. Like I said I think we all are gonna feel how we feel on these types of subject matters. There’s a sort of ambiguity with knowledge because no human truly knows the truth about anything. Our world is understood by theory and then as we test these theories like gravity and the tests are replicated it becomes fact or what we consider a “truth”. I won’t go too far into my concepts because I don’t want to spark any type of internet war, but I will look into whether or not me masturbating without porn is detrimental in anyway psychical and psychological. I’ll maintain an open mind.
All of this reeks of the old threads about moderation to me. To me, left unchecked, the addiction will ruin my life and my family. Its not a game. The durants were clear in their series on the history of the world Lessons from History.
“No one man, however brilliant or well-informed, can come in one lifetime to such fullness of understanding as to safely judge and dismiss the customs or institutions of his society, for these are the wisdom of generations after centuries of experiment in the laboratory of history. A youth boiling with hormones will wonder why he should not give full freedom to his sexual desires; and if he is unchecked by custom, morals, or laws, he may ruin his life before he matures sufficiently to understand that sex is a river of fire that must be banked and cooled by a hundred restraints if it is not to consume in chaos both the individual and the group.”
Dangerous ground we play on.
I have no idea what your quote means but by all means do what you have to.
I will not let an addiction destroy every part of experience in my life. In other words I will not let addiction define my life and take me out of the human experience.
I understand how important this is to you and your family and your life. I’m not gonna argue with your ideologies and beliefs. Because if you follow the philosophy of these Durants then no matter how much you think you know you don’t know. That’s what I pulled out of that quote.
Again you do you and I’ll do me and when my time comes and I am to be judge then let God/Yahweh/Universal Energy/Whatever judge me for my sins for I am not perfect and I am human. This is my life and I will do what I will and can with the power of free will and choice that has been given to me by my creator.
Good luck with the progress mate.
I never said anything about religion or morality. The Durants do not preach philosophy. Theyre historians. They show how history repeats itself and how we can learn from the mistakes of the past.
Well like I said I’ll continue trying to understand my world as I know it like these historians. These historians are trying to gain information to understand their world and that’s what we as humans ultimately do. So to each our own for what we choose our truths to be about our vices and masturbation and anything else we are doing in life.
Completely agree. Very well described the harm of masturbation
There are many who would like to normalize it. They even get offended that anyone would suggest that it isnt natural. This is because theyre either ignorant to the detrimental effects or they’re in denial.
Someone at a meeting recently came to me and told me they think masterbation would be ok for them because they would be “dangerous” if they didn’t have that outlet. I told this person I can’t make that call for them but to be vigilant and if it leads to other forms of acting out they should revisit that decision. They shared that with their therapist a couple days later and their therapist told them they are rationalizing their behavior.
We can’t determine other people’s sobriety definition. But I am in the camp of those who think moderation is a dangerous approach.
I agree. Im going to stop suggesting how someone else handles their sobriety. Just give them what i feel is best, which does not include moderation.
Glad everyone is on the same page. People have their levels of addiction, their own believes, their own religion, feelings, faith, and lives.
I would never try to dictate to someone as if I have power over them. I would never try to force my opinion over someone based on what I thought to be true.
Everyone is free to make their own choices in life based on what they feel is right and so on. I say do what you want to do. I will continue to masturbate in moderation and if that makes me ignorant then so be it. If I am normalizing it then so be it. Pornography has been the only detrimental thing in my life and I will never watch it again.
This community is supposed to be about helping one another not trying to beat someone down with ones ideologies.
I wish everyone luck in there situations. Thank you for following me on my journey. So far I still feel great and I’m getting in touch with my true feelings. It’s nice and my intimacy has skyrocketed since I cut porn out of my life.
I think is denial. Truth is difficult to digest. I only can think of masturbation as a selfish act. And I committed it so many times and its result is always emptiness and not love
I agree with you. But, im not going to keep beating on that drum here, since some dont want to hear it. Even though so many others in recovery obviously are in agreement and have life experience that would show that Masturbation is a negative action, inflicting subconscious harm upon ourselves.
And to anyone that doesn’t agree with me on that, there will come a time that the life youre trying to lead will fall face first in the mud.
You done trying to Bible bash on my thread now? I’d appreciate it if you take your ideologies into a different thread. Everyone is allowed to have opinions. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you means you get to try to continue to belittle them and attack them through your words in order to try to gain followers in your ideologies and beliefs. I find it very immature and unnecessary.