Is there an episode on caffeine from the Huberman Lab or is it part of the sleeping episode. I just made a quick search. I’d try to listen. It’s often very complex to listen to as a foreigner 
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Fukushima 
i never thought of that. Have to check where my organic tea comes from.
Good that you had your lab tests done. And yes, your social *symptoms" sound so familiar. As for me, i suppose the major load comes from being half deaf and not easy to hear what people talk. Ive developed an empathetic half-smile when i dont hear things 
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I just heard of Huberman in another podcast. Have to check him out.
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I went caffeine free for about 5 days until I got kicked in the butt by some kind of allergy induced sickness. I live right next to a beautiful green land area and every once in a while some kind of weed or allergen goes through the area that doesn’t agree with me and it puts me out for a bit. Sometimes it happens with the spring or autumn season changes as well.
So I did kick a bit of caffeine back in, but only 200mg/day–which, for me, is extremely low. That was just enough to get me through whatever things I had to do before collapsing into bed. I slept 12 hours last night (sans the two times I had to get up to feed miss kitty), and yet I still feel like I could sleep more.
Honestly, overall, I think I’m doing great by keeping the intake low; whereas, in the past I might have used it as an excuse to load up. Once whatever it is that I’m sick with passes me by, my plan is to reduce back down to zero and continue going forward.
@Bootz You know, these days I think there are so many possible “boxes” a person could be put into. I’ve wondered about whether I could fit into certain boxes as well, but like you I’m at an age that there doesn’t seem to be many reasons to know besides sating one’s curiosity. I do think that one excellent reason would be in the ‘self improvement’ area. Other people act as mirrors for us to see ourselves in ways way might not otherwise, and to allow us to see ‘blind spots’. If you get the opinion of several professionals who see this thing in you, then it gives you a data point for investigation. If anything within that data point plays a part in difficulties you might have in your life, then knowing would–in my opinion–allow you to figure out ways to respond to this difficulty in order to improve your overall life satisfaction.
But, then again, you seem pretty astute, and so you could probably do research on your own into the subject, figure out what seems to apply to you, then go forward from there to make life improvements. The only thing missing would be the ‘diagnosis’, which is necessary for younger people to get into programs which might help them succeed. On the other hand, some people do feel a sense of ‘relief’, ‘vindication’, or other emotions by getting some kind of diagnosis, even if nothing is done with it. Simply knowing is worth it.
On a different subject, what subject in the sciences were you a professor of??
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This has been a crap week and I’ve been hitting up the caffeine harder than I would like in order to simply function. I’m still taking in far less than I was, so that’s a positive, but I know how easily that number can climb. Hopefully tomorrow I can begin reducing again tomorrow.
Will do.
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Oh, that sounds amazing in a way. I wanted to go on a retreat for some time and found always enough resistances to not go.
For my part of the caffeine waggon. Won’t be on it now. My biggest goal was better sleep which I do atm while drinking caffeine. Maybe it’s a too big a goal for me. Idk. And I don’t want to be too hard on myself. And at the same time like with quitting alcohol I look at people who seemingly have no issue stopping and judging myself like: why is she making such a big deal of it. Just stop it. Don’t whine. No excuses. Tough love.
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Update: in my new company there is drinkable coffee for free. This is not good. 
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I guess one good thing is that they have milk powder in the machine which will result in my glycemia to peak within minutes. So that I’ll get off that by tomorrow probably 
and as I am not much into black coffee or with just milk I think I won’t overdo it.
Your meditation site looks amazingly peaceful. Where is this? Keep on going enjoying and discovering yourself.
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Jumping on the train and starting my caffeine weaning process today. I have definitely been using it as a crutch/replacement for alcohol and it is amping up my anxiety so so much. Plus I have been really trying to prioritize better sleep and the amount of coffee I’m putting in my body every day just isnt cutting it. Wish me luck. 
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It’s silent here. I need to stop it. This thread seems the only one I can put these thoughts into. When I am at home I drink a lot of coffee like. It’s way too much. Tapering off doesn’t work. The more I think about quitting the more I drink. Like in the good old days of drinking. I have to drink today what I won’t drink tomorrow. A tiny little bit irrational.
So yesterday while reading a book I came across a page stickk. It rang a bell. And only then did I realize that I already had read the whole book. 
Years ago. So I started digging and it’s true I have an account. Reset password and there was a history that I tried to abstain from alcohol in April 2017! So maybe I was drunk when I read the book. The thing is that I am really thinking about putting in caffeine and sweetener there. The thing of this page is that it has to hurt (financially). Rationally I cannot solve this. So the thing is you set up a goal and in case you fail the money you put at stake goes to a entity which you dislike a lot. It’s US and UK and the worst I can think of is donating it to the NRA. So these are just some raw thoughts. I get nervous when I think about it. Just like alcohol. But unlike alcohol where is was blessed quitting without physical withdrawal, I know what will come.
Edit: I just looked in the details back then. Must have been a post new year hangover thing. I started Jan 2 and cannot find entries after Jan 7. So that’s that. 
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Yes it’s frightening but not lethal. You have suffered and survived quitting alcohol so you will survive this too.
Im talking to myself too. I MIGHT not buy another package of coffee when the current one runs out. Tapering and mental preparing done, they didn’t work. I should just quit and bear the consequences cause there will be no ideal moment that ive been waiting for. Sheit. Im not ready.
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Same here. Finish then quit. We can do it. We will do it. Ommmmmmm.
Like waiting for a good moment to quit drinking. It was never there. Always a birthday or social event that you cannot figure handling sober.
I am really scared about work though. But in my new job I can call in sick without seeing a doctor for 2 days. If it’s that bad.
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Let’s stick with the ommmm for awhile 
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True, coffee is already crazy expensive. I pay myself sick for a certain organic brand. I have tapered down a little but not enough. Struggling with health related exhaustion I wouldn’t want to give up coffee as one instant energy booster and wait until my whole system starts to function more naturally (sleep, morning energy levels, cortisol etc). Life is about difficult choices
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My caffeine routine for the last half a year has been about 3 cups of coffee a day and about 2 energy drinks a week maybe if I really need the energy or think I need it. My caffeine intake is not as bad as it was but is still there. I finally realize and accept that caffeine makes me feel uncomfortable and weird. I think it’s been like that for a while. Caffeine is now just like hard drugs or alcohol…. It doesn’t do what it used to do and causes negative issues. It’s not really about the money , time wasted but more to do with the way it makes me feel. Here lately I been thinking about quitting all caffeine products and switching to lemon water. I assume I might feel sluggish and have headaches for a few days but I will try to push through.
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I plan on having my last coffee tomorrow. Overall I am feeling very low atm. I miss sunlight. I really do.
Hormones are also playing a role. What can I expect. Being tired, headaches, no concentration which will suck at work, back pain, restlessness, no sleep at night. But I am curious to look what’s behind. I am scared. What is my plan? If I am feeling very shitty I can take 2 days off without explanation. Well, well. Feel like I’ll take something away from me.
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Absolutely great decision. Good luck and determination @anon74766472 
Please keep us updated. Im sure as you will give up something, you also will get back good things in return, but it probably won’t happen overnight.
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I know. I did it several times and always had different withdrawal symptoms. Unless once I never made it longer than 2 weeks or so. I think I’ll post here often. 
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I actually have been thinking about quitting caffeine too. I can notice certain coffees with high caffeine content make me feel anxious or too energetic which fuels the feeling of wanting to drink more. The times I’ve done detoxes from coffee I can noticeably feel a difference of not wanting a drink
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I have done it several times too and withdrawals (headache etc) were not the worst. But the total lack of fuel for maybe one week was terrible. Can i afford that? Anyway i also remember my sleep pattern became better and that in time i stopped craving coffee… until one day I needed that extra energy and focus boost - and rest is history.
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