Everyone,
See how brainwashed we can get?
Here we are having a discussion about the values of alcohol on a sobriety forum on the Truth and Tough Love thread.
I don’t envy drinkers. I pity and have compassion for them. Because the real truth is that alcohol has no value. It has no real benefit. As a non-drinker, I instinctively know that.
This. As Clint Eastwood said “Man’s gotta know his limitations”. Once I accepted that my relationship with alcohol was “abusive” and needed to be ended permanently, peace became possible.
I don’t think it has value, certainly doesn’t for me, but others may feel different. I do disagree with all the people who think society is somehow to blame for their addiction. Society shuns heroin to the point that you are stigmatized for even using it once, yet we have roughly 2 million heroin addicts. I know damn well you didn’t see some fine China white commercial during the super bowl. If we want to “solve” the problem we need to focus on services and treatment.
I do believe that you’re sincere when you say this.
I felt that this statement gave value to alcohol. I just wanted to remind others reading this that I, along with others, do not believe that alcohol has any benefits.
Let me start by saying I love this forum. It has been great for me in maintaining sobriety, but I’m really glad I wasn’t here when I was trying to get sober.
For me sobriety involved doing the work and getting out of my comfort zone. Rehabs, meetings, IOP group, those were all very uncomfortable and I had to work at them. They required me to get up and go places. They required more focus than a 5 minute post. They required me to meet people to get support. Those things got me sober. If all I had to do was open an app, type out my feelings and then have 50 people tell me everything was okay I’m not sure I would have ever found the motivation to do the work. As an alcoholic all I ever wanted to hear is “oh don’t worry it’s okay” without doing the work to make it okay. And I definitely would have found that here.
I joined this forum at around 105 days sober. Although I was still brand new to sobriety I was already deep into the work I needed to do. This place is great at helping me stay sober for sure. And I’m really happy I didn’t find it sooner.
I’ve never even had 50 people like my bestest of memes!
Where did these people come from?
Where did they go?
Darned Cotton-Eye Joe, stealing all my likes!
< shakes fist half-heartedly >
That wasn’t the case for me. I got sober on here. Yes, I got ‘it’s ok’ type replies. But they served their own purpose of making me hate myself less. More importantly I got many ‘how about a meeting/ getting a sponsor?’ or ‘nothing changes if nothing changes’ type replies. It wasn’t instant, but the message did filter through. I don’t believe I would have ended up at AA’s door as quickly as I did without this app. I might have ended up there, but I would have bottomed out much lower.
I didn’t really come here for other people’s help (or opinions for that matter) in getting sober. I came here to talk about my own journey and hear about others. It was only after I was here for a bit that I started to look for counsel from some of the people whose voices made sense to me. There isn’t anything that could have been said more nicely or more harshly to get me to a different place. At least, I don’t think so.
It’s just a forum, where people can commiserate, congregate, and lay it out there. I am sure there are people in every program that give about as much energy to sobriety as some of the one-and-done posters here.
Follow quite a lot of the Sober community on Instagram and they’re now getting sponsored and freebies from Alcohol free substitute companies to advertise for them. That’s a dangerous game if you ask me and could kill people 
been there, done that and got the relapse
Why would you want to romanticise drinking a copy of a substance which nearly killed you?
I think I could have gotten sober without this app. I had to do that on my own.
Staying sober is a different matter altogether. This app was key to that, especially during the first 90.
Doing > thinking
To expand on that…
Doing > Talking
I have found this about asking questions, whether it be at work, in relationships or in sobriety: I will not ask a question if I am not prepared to hear the answers.
I approve of this message 
Yes but there are correlating figures specifically linking it to a dramatic decline in fashion sense 
So, we should all start listening to Nickleback then?
lol
