Welcome. welcome, new members

I was part of refugee recovery for a couple of years. It was a great supplemental program to my 12 step program. I made some very good friends in there. They had some administrative problems with their founder a few years back & I kinda stepped away at that point.

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Exactly. This is my first foray into it. But yes with that in mind it’s right. I was just saying what they say in the book about obviously when the Buddha was around alcoholism wasn’t a thing so he didn’t actually say anything specific.
But application of these principles is what one seeks for a better life.

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