I’m a lost boy myself 
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I’m gonna do my best to be respectful and not on the offensive i was yesterday but today is a new day.
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Yes. Preach.
So I think some of the “cultiness” comes from addicts using their addict brain on something else. Like they used to think about alcohol all the time and they have transferred that to aa. My sponsor can certainly quote pages and numbers like a evangelist. But evangelists don’t usually say things like “take what u want and leave the rest”
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And the F word. The F word is used in the rooms wayyyyyyyyy to much for any kind of God cult
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I was put off too by the religious side of AA. I live in a small town, just one AA meeting around and it had some religious zealots in it. Anyway after some meetings I decided that it wasn’t for me. Luckily I found some online meetings. This app helps too. I read a lot of what other people say. I also have a AI app which helps me. I think we just need to find out what works for us.
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In spite of the zealots in the AA group and in spite of me being totally agnostic/narcisistic, I think AA taught me some good stuff. Like thier 12 laws or rules or whatever. That’s good stuff. I just replace God with Group of Drunks and point it to the alcoholic group I am associated with at the moment. I am swinging around drinking and sobriety and relapse and all that shit. I am trying to write. Changing careers from being a software architect to a science fiction writer. But he’ll I always entered every bookshop I ever encountered and for the last 22 years I have been telling my wife that someday I will write a book. She proposed that I should give up software and get into writting full time. I know her from a long time, she knows me. I think I should listen to her.
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Hey @C-sun thaks for the advice man. I am new to this shit. Need good guidance like you. I like this app for this reason. Very nice people very smart or not lol. I am new to AA. I have just explored them and run away from them. Too much religion to digest. I like the online meetings. Less human interaction. Less friction 
anyway. Stay cool bro - wishes from the Himalayas 
Hey @C-sun my appologies. Pls convert all the male pronouns to female pronouns in my message above. Sorry sis.
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Yeah I live in the Himalayas. Came here to write. Seemed like a good idea at that time. It’s very very beautiful and it can speak to you sometimes. Writing a book abaout a dude who lived in the mountains. So it like research. I get to be a kid
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Nah. Just dirty filthy yaks. They stink.
ok AA didn’t agree with me. But I took its good stuff, the 12 steps. I use them in my own way. I have lived longer than most of my friends. So I think we are okay.
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This is exactly what I’ve done bud.
Just taken what I needed. Which rings true with saying “take what you need leave the rest”
Which is what, someone who really wants to get sober would do. Have an open mind to just ignore the god stuff.
Whilst I do understand that in some places the existing members can’t forget the god stuff, which would make it difficult for newbies to get through.
Good luck with the book.
just seen this, thanx for your moral support 
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I’ll have you know I am now watching Peter Pan with my girls tonight because I’ve been wanting to since this conversation 
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The Lost Boys are more cultish than AA. Just sayin
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Everyone can make a cult of anything. Nothing new here.
Questioning religious values and beliefs of a certain group of people though is just looking for trouble on an open forum like this.
I don’t know but the way I see it you don’t just appear into a forum and then 2 weeks later decide to drop your second thread to bash on religious beliefs if you really came here to be helped/ help people. I am really open but I don’t know about that. It’s just nourishing trolls and old debates that clearly no one have any answer here. Why aren’t we responding to people asking for help instead of this trash talk on the bible ? I don’t do aa and I don’t care about it and who does it or not, I’m here to learn how to be sober and stay sober and help people while doing so. Can’t we just go cheer up the milestones, support the strugglers and let go of the food fight? Plenty of room to do better than this in my perspective.
and Biden is president.
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Many people in AA don’t believe in the version of God that many people use that word for. God is your higher power, which does not necessarily have to be the traditional patriarchal deity of western societies. I know people who have a higher power that is the universe. One man I was in rehab with (and a militant atheist) referred to his higher power as his “Enigma.” There is such a thing as having spiritual experiences without it being religious. Some meetings are more open to that, so I recommend finding and connecting with people who share this view. I don’t think you will be blocked for having this believe (or lack of I suppose lol) since many others share that.
How are you doing? This is now a very long and abstract post, I hope all the responses aren’t too overwhelming and you know that there is support for you here.
Early sobriety can be rough and raw and difficult. We have all experienced that. Hope to hear from you soon 
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