We have fox hunting they’ve stop the dogs chasing the foxes down until the can’t run no more and a pack of 30/40 dogs rip the poor fox apart, that’s all upper class posh wankers, that feel that a sport where they allow foxes to be devoured by there hounds, I k ow it’s not on the same scale but I dispise hunters with a passion
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Nothing against anyone whether they’re born into riches or poverty, people are people wherever they come from. But I will never understand the appeal of fox hunting.
We get the hunt going through this area occasionally. As well as the cruelty (and illegality) of the fox hunting, they trespass on land and destroy property. It seems unfair that they don’t seem to get into any trouble for it.
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They don’t get into any trouble BC as far as times goes bk the colour of ya money really does stand for something
MONEY TALKS.
PERSONEL VIEWS B. T. W
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Well now I’m just hungry
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I hunt to feed my family. I also raise beef, which my son sells. It teaches him hard work, dedication, and budgeting. I normally don’t shoot the trophy bull elk. I settle for a cow elk instead, better meat.
As far as those rich guys flying all over the world, while I don’t understand shooting an Elephant or giraffe, the money they spend goes straight to the conservation of those animals. It’s it worse to have some rich guy spend upwards of $50k to hunt an animal that a poacher would shoot for free? The meat feeds the village, the money goes to conservation.
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You don’t have super markets or grocers or growers markets where you live? Online grocery shopping is a thing, you don’t need to slaughter animals to feed your family.
No one is being shut down, the conversation is continuing here. If people want to spend their time on a sobriety forum discussing the relative merits of hunting then more power to them. As long as it stays civil and in line with the rules, why not.
Personally, I’ve had my fill.
As always folks if anything breaks forum rules, flag away. And if anyone has issues on any calls the team of moderators has made, the best thing to do is message @moderators.
Peace and serenity 
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All of those things are expensive. Also killing animals in the wild is far more humane than the farms cattle are raised on (at least in the US). Hunting is generally a better option for fresher, gmo free meat, than buying in any store.
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@Apes2020, I’m assuming you have never seen a feed lot for beef. The animals are packed in there. The lots are designed to limit movement, creating the marble of fat on the steak. The animals are then slaughtered by the hundreds. By going to the grocery store and buying the steak, you condone the slaughter.
On the other hand, I go out, hike the hills, spend money on a tag, enjoy nature, and try locate and stalk the animal I choose. If I’m lucky enough to get close enough to the animal, then and only then do i take a smart precise shot. 1 shot, 1 kill.
I will gladly debate this topic all day long on which is more humane. Just know your facts.
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Definitely fresher but not necessarily GMO free. We don’t control what the wildlife eats (for example, deer on our rural farm property eat the corn, soybeans etc in our fields that my FIL grows which are not organic and not necessarily GMO free. Not saying it’s not healthier by any means though. Definitely is.
I grab much of my meat from the organic farm across the road. The animals are all well cared for, pasture raised, organic, grass fed & finished. Hubby thinks I’m nuts for paying the extra, compared to grocery store, but I point out he pays extra for his “better” beer vs cheap beer lol
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I eat meat and I much prefer ethically and organically raised meat rather than the horror of farmed meats you buy at the local grocery. I like to know where my food comes from and that it hasn’t been stuffed with hormones. As mentioned above, animals that are raised simply to feed us, most of them live very short and sad lives and their slaughter is incredibly depressing…their bodies release so many stress hormones during that period before they are harvested and then we ingest them…not good.
Often people are so removed from the fact that they are eating animals, they just see ‘meat’ in a package.
I grew up in an area of the U.S. where people hunted to feed their families out of necessity. It is free, save for the cost of a license or permit these days and you get meat free of added hormones or chemicals and it is not genetically enhanced in any way, unlike ducks, chickens, etc bred to have breasts so large they cannot stand up. Very sad.
I know pictures of dead animals are hard to see for some people and I can certainly understand how vegetarians and vegans would be appalled. That is why there is a trigger warning on the thread.
I don’t hunt, no one in my immediate family does, but I don’t begrudge anyone hunting for food…trophies is another story altogether or safari hunting. I am not a proponent of that.
I think it is important to really understand exactly what you are supporting when you pick up that cheap package of meat at the store.
As with most things in life, educating ourselves about the meat industry is important IMHO.
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I don’t object to hunting for meat when done in a sustainable responsible professional manner. I eat organic meat or hunted meat myself. I don’t like the idea of game being killed for other purposes than meat but I can’t really object to it. I don’t like the hunting of mountain lions for instance because I think they are such magnificent creatures but I know there is some cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy on my part in that. If there is a sustainable population while being hunted by folks making a living of it I suppose I have no real point objecting to it.
But I don’t see any merit or fun in hunting for sport. Killing living creatures is no fun and no sport. That’s just cruelty. And the idea that hunting big game for trophies in Africa is good for conversation or important for the local communities is a myth. It’s just not true and has been convincingly dispelled by research.
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Decided not to start a new thread. 
I will say that if you see the prices hunter’s pay to win a trip, it’s ridiculous. I know with some of the large groups, like Safari Club International, part of the proceeds for such hunts are earmarked for conservation. A lot of that money goes to protecting the species from poachers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1864667
I’m still not for it. I don’t see the attraction of it. I was taught that you eat what you shoot.
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if it was about conservation they would donate the money, take some pictures of beautiful creatures and leave. most of that money goes into a govt officials pocket im sure.
im not squeamish. ive made headcheese and blood sausage from the original parts. its the wanton cruelty (like fox hunts) and wastefulness I cant stomach. killing big game is ego and thats all. and if you need to kill a giraffe to feel powerful or whatever you really need to put that money into therapy.
that said, i agree completely about mass market meat vs hunting. I also would point out that supermarkets are a luxury in some areas and indigenous people rely on hunting and fishing for their food.
in conclusion, support local small family farms,respect life and dont be an egotistical douche. leave the tigers alone.
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Thanks for the info. It will be very helpful.
@Mitzi you are right. Big game hunting like tigers are purely to satisfy the ego. I asked @NateRC about hunting tigers in another thread, because I am writing a book, where my character is hunting a Saber-tooth tiger in a jungle, many thousands of years ago. I have absolutely no idea how a 16yr old kid would kill a tiger with only a spear. Is it even possible to do so? I have been struggling with questions for a full day now. So I reached out to hunters in this forum. For expert advice. By the way my story is about an ancient Hindu God. So it definitely all about ego. Our pagan Gods were complex characters 
There is some ancient weapon called 
a aladle? Maybe someone can help me with the name.
But it’s like a spearish arrow throwing device. Lol.
I just know people used it thousands of years ago to bring down big game.
Found this. I love Google 
It’s called an Atlatl. This is really helpful info. This is the first time I’ve been writing. Thanks for the info. I need to research ancient hunting techniques a little more.
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