You didn’t start an argument, but a discussion which shows differences in opinions and outlooks.
I dont believe anyone wants to make you believe it’s an argument, most people hete are pretty cool and will openly discuss their points.
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I don’t think of it as an argument. I see it as a bunch of people, with a lot of different sobriety durations, discussing the “facts.”
That’s really what makes this forum great. Someone will come on here and grab your post and hang onto it for dear life, and others will grab onto another. Everyone’s voice and opinion matter to someone. Every post has the potential to be life altering for another human.
I truly believe there is no definitive, right answer to anything regarding recovery - except: Don’t use today. If you messed up yesterday, whatever. Today, lay your head on your pillow sober. Keep doing that and you’re winning. Don’t? Get up and do it tomorrow.
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Look listen, I said for SOME of us, not everybody. I wouldn’t say it’s a part of recovery for all that’s painting a picture with a broad brush. If you tell someone that it’s kinda like saying “F**k it go drink it’s part of recovery” No a real part of recovery for people like me anyway is going to meetings, reading the big book, look for a sponsor and whatever other recovery related things you enjoy. Our health and personal well being comes first. I strongly believe spirituality plays a big role as well. Once again I’m speaking for myself.
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Don’t worry you didn’t start an arguement, posting your thoughts is what this forum is all about. Your weren’t offensive or rude it’s all good
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Hey there, I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling. It was helpful to read the thoughts of many. I also know that…however many reply, there are many more of us on here that read more exclusively than we post. I thought it was important to mention what has worked for me (while there are a thousand paths which lead to recovery…I do my best to listen to the paths that have been walked successfully before!)
For the kind of brain I have, it became “relatively easy” (that being a VERY relative term! 
) to get sober when I took out that option of relapsing. For me, drawing the very clear line in the sand that, I was done drinking, that was something I no longer did…and if I ever did it again, the second I slipped…it was off to either rehab to AA (or any recovery program that would take me) has worked well. My addict brain, if given the allowance that relapse was a part of it…would make relapsing a part of it.
And for me, relapsing would lead back to drinking…and using.
We have many routes and many brains. Let’s us all work a program that WORKS. 
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That’s very well put
Getting a bit technical like a bible study group.
Want to give up drinking is not the same as giving up drinking. Once you have given up drinking, time frame is different for each person, only then do you relapse. Before that the attempts, are wants which you have not achieved. You must strive to get your mind to give up drinking and not wanting to stop which is not permanent
Why did I hear peals of thunder, and see flashes of lightning when I read this?
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Probably because Thor is missing his hammer and Ray has it!
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Wholeheartedly agree with this. Once I embraced the fact that alcohol was not an option for me I started looking for solutions that didnt involve it.
I stopped fighting to keep alcohol in my life. Yes I still take one day at a time but my mind is free from thinking about when and how I will drink again responsibly because I know I cant do that.
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That is exactly me…the demon in my ear