How long can evidence of alcohol use be detected

To put this in context, I am not talking about evidence in the sense of drink driving.

I am a few hours off 4 months and 17 days since I touched any alcohol at all. And I even include a tiramisu in that figure. My son is a chef, and he does a brilliant completely alcohol free tiramisu that is really superb :grin::+1:

So at what point would a doctor not be able to detect a history of drinking, rather than just a current alcohol level?

It is days, months or years before a doctor would not be able to detect any history of drinking?

Thank you for reading this…..

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I’m not a doctor, we’re all just run of the mill addicts here. A quick google search shows alcohol can be detected in hair for up to three months. That might be the longest direct evidence of detectable alcohol use. But don’t take my word for it.

Then there’s lot of indirect evidence of heavy alcohol use that can show up for years and years under medical examination. For the rest of our lives really. Liver damage, damage to the digestive tract from the mouth to the exit, kidney damage, heart damage, nerve damage, brain damage. Andsoforth.

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Hi Phil & good question! I agree with everything Menno above stated. As a alcoholic in recovery & a practitioner myself, what’s wrong with being honest to your provider on your history of alcohol use?

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Thank you so much for your time in replying

I shall now open up a bit about why I asked the question….

I have some mental health issues. One is Asperger’s, but I am fine with that. But I also have PTSD. My PTSD is related to my old job. I used to be a disaster recovery engineer, specialising in high tech and major loss. Most of the time, the work was not what you immediately think of from the job title, I usually worked for insurance companies whose client has had a fire or flood, and they could not just replace the equipment. This could range from a food company (I cannot say who it was, but if you had seen their facilities, I promise you would never eat anything that came from that factory ever again… :nauseated_face:) to other industrial restoration from a large specialist factory to a famous US university and power stations of all kinds (some of which were large scale R&D projects that were really interesting to work on).

But sometimes the job would be exactly what it sounds like. But I mainly covered the big ones, those that are remembered by thir date or their location or the name of the storm and that side of my job messed me up quite a lot.

In the end I was consuming so much alcohol, my weekly unit intake was 3 digit number. But with the help of Nick at turning point, I really am sober, I have not slipped, I am not lying to myself, I really haven’t touched alcohol at all. I remember talking about anabuse and Nick told me that he didn’t recommend it, because you can be triggered by someone wearing aftershave or cologne for example. I am naturally a bit reclusive, so that would not have been a problem. But it means it has been Nick, turning point, the daily counter here and willpower that got me through. I had to change GP, and in my first appointment she asked about how much I drink. When I first met her, I had got down to two digits but that was the moment all my mental health support effectively stopped. She looked at me and said

ā€œSome people are destined to develop cancer, some people are born diabetic, people like you are just addictsā€. Those were her exact words. (west Yorkshire doctor).

And so I am wondering how I can prove to her and the mental health team that I have stopped drinking…..

I cannot even get an emergency prescription, and so I am sitting here with the door open trying to cool down. There is sweat running down my face, this is partially a result of suddenly stopping long term medication, and partly because I am on mental health crisis, but since that point, I have been labelled as an addict. I went to one place, and was told to come back when I am less agitated. And then maybe they could give me enough medicine to last till tomorrow.

I have no anti-anxiety meds, and when I am calm, then they may give me something to calm me down.

I think I need to demand a a drug and alcohol screen, and I was just wondering from my blood or wee how long I can prove my sobriety. Then maybe someone will help me.

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I cant even :enraged_face:

Wow, Im so sorry ur going thru this!! I have no words honestly. I cant believe that people who are supposed to be supports, have made things this difficult for u. I dont understand :frowning: I suppose its worth it to ask for an alcohol screening if that is what it takes. Do u have an option of changing GPs again? Or would that even make a difference?

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Im a little confused, why can you not get any of your prescription meds? Because your dr took you off them suddenly?

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That’s quite a terrible thing to say by that GP. I would answer that yes, I am an addict but almost seven years clean now. And I’d give her a little college on how I got sober and stayed sober till today. I’m an addict in recovery. I suffer from alcohol abuse disorder in long time remission (I know some medical terms). I’m sorry friend. How to prove to the professionals you quit drinking: I’d ask that to them too.

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It is a long story, but I had to move which took me away from my original care team. I did have short term home treatment, and that stopped without a follow-up care plan….

If I had lied at the time, there would be no issue, but I wanted to be truly honest. That was the mistake. But it resulted in me running out of anti anxiety halfway through last week, and my last dose of the antidepressants was last night. I spent most of last week trying to get this sorted before I ram out. But the doctor needs to refer me back to the mental health team, I have an ā€˜urgent appointment I. Two weeks……

The story is lot more complex, but that is a quick summary…..

For this and other reasons, I really wish I hadn’t met the company I used to work with….

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Surely any doctor would know they cannot just take you off anti anxiety/depression meds suddenly….its dangerous…have you tried going through 111? Either on the phone or online?

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I have been fighting most of my life about one aspect or the other regarding my mental health. I think I am getting a bit tired of it all now. But it does seem to be guilty until proven innocent. Maybe I can prove a point and then maybe someone will help.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=mental+health+meds+via+111+nhs&oq=mental+health+meds+via+111&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBECEYoAEyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRifBTIHCAYQIRifBTIHCAcQIRifBTIHCAgQIRifBTIHCAkQIRifBTIHCAoQIRifBTIHCAsQIRifBTIHCAwQIRifBTIHCA0QIRiPAtIBCTEyODYxajBqOagCDrACAfEFJJ7TKL9MqX8&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#lfId=ChxjMe

Its says there Phil on option 2 you can speak with a mental health professional

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You would not believe who I have rung. But here I a little example of one conversation with 111

111 nurse ā€œHave you had any negative thoughts?ā€

Me ā€œ yes, I have my exit kit on the table in front of meā€

111 nurse ā€œ you need to hang up now, and dial 111 and press option two for mental health supportā€

I really am not making this up. Nick, my alcohol advisor is the only one who is supporting me, but he cannot write prescription or refer me for mental health support. He would if he could…

But the people I am supposed to trust really don’t give an airborne rodent’s rectum.

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I know Phil its terrible, im sorry, have u tried the 111 option 2 route yet though?

But I have tried my GP. I have tried 111 options 1 and 2. Because my request is for medication, I have to use option 1. But because it is mental health, I need to use option 2. But it seems you cannot use both together.

I have tried the crisis team, I have tried some of the charities (one tried to distract me I’m the middle of a panic attack on the phone by telling me I need to splash cold water on my wrists rather than the medicine recommended by my psychiatrist…..

But as I am over 4½ months sober, this has been building up for 6/7 months, although current crisis started about 6 weeks ago…..

I would try the option 2 again and explain the whole thing to them again or possibly try doing it online, im not sure after that but im truly sorry for what you’d going through, I know you can order emergency prescriptions via online 111 to pick up at a pharmacy

This is disgusting on so many levels, and none of it is your fault!

That GP has an egregiously fallacious understanding of addiction, and to not have the access that seems to be so easy to others can feel more isolating.

I commend you for continuing to advocate for yourself. You’re worthy of it and you’re worthy of defending.

I once called a crisis hotline

A 24 hour crisis hotline

And got the answering machine.

No joke. That literally happened.

I called another one and they had an age limit, and I exceeded it. I was like…but I’m not okay. So they referred me to the one I had to leave a message on (and they still haven’t called years later!)

I get it. It is so frustrating! Trying to convince professionals that you’re not okay makes you even more not okay. Such a broken, dehumanizing system.

We are here, and we will do what we can to be an additional support. :people_hugging:

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