I quit pain pills but I’m using kratom… Is that bad? It’s all natural herb…
If you use the search function you can find at least one thread where kratom was discussed. I have zero experience and the same knowledge of it.
I don’t know a whole lot about it, but it’s not an opiate so there’s that. Just don’t use more than you need, and make sure not to increase usage. Decrease until you can be done.
I am very familiar with the kind of hell that comes with an addiction to pain pills. If this is working for you, then I think that’s good and it counts.
I wish I had known about kratom before going the suboxone route.
The stuff that big government is pushing out about Kratom is false IF you are indeed getting MS from a good source and not the corner stores or head/smoke shops. I used Kratom for years and the only thing I experienced after quiting it was slight headache and stomach ache. It’s better than coffee because you don’t get the jitters, but also seems to help calm you down. If you take too much you will become nauseous and stomach aches.
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I’ve tried it. Been on smack for a few years and helped with sleeping and WD. It can be addictive just like opiates so if u do, be cautious. I take it every now and then but again, it can have the same side affects if taken regularly. Hope that helps
That’s odd, because I have used Kratom on a regular for yrs and the withdrawal for me was as stated above. I didn’t purchase in smoke shops or convenient corner stores, I ordered from a reliable vendor out of Indonesia.
I also quit pain pills and use Kratom. I’m comfortable with it.
I’m actually fighting an addiction to Kratom right now. I quit using it for about 3 weeks but started back up today. I have been using Kratom for 8 years and have relapsed more times than I can count.
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I used to use kratom to taper down from opiates, or as a substitute when cleaning up for drug tests. But my thinking has since changed, and i now consider anything that attaches to mu receptors to be cheating my sobriety. Furthermore, anything that changes the way i feel (aside from caffeine and nicotine) is off limits. Because afterall, my real problem lies in my need to change the way i feel, rather than cope. And any outside “help” (chemicals) only serve to reinforce the notion that Im not enough as I am. 360 days
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I have been a kratom addict for the past two years. It has been horrible. 2 seizures in the past six months due to kratom. Dislocated both shoulders during both of the seizures. First seizure was super intense and buzzed my brain really hard. Second seizure I was in the bath tub. Wife saved my life for the second time and got me out of the bath. When I came too I couldn’t breath because I had inhaled chewing tobacco deep into my respiratory system. Thought I was going to die. Many many at home detoxes with horrible withdrawl episodes. In the past six months 3 detox centers and 2 rehab centers. Currently in a 5 day a week full day IOP with 10 days clean.
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If you can away from kratom, I highly recommend it. It’s almost magical how it takes away withdrawals. Take it long enough and you’ll have the same if not worse WD symptoms. Some people don’t get WD from it, they say…but it can be INTENSE.
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Withdrawal sucks from Kratom.
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I have been taking Kratom for about 6 years. I wasn’t on heroin before but I was on meth. I am trying to stop taking Kratom. For me I use it for energy and depression. It works but it’s too expensive and I have a high tolerance for it. Plus, I do think it is bad for your liver. So, I’m decreasing it slowly mainly the reason I dont just cold turkey it is because I have mental health issues. I have a lot of responsibilities as a single parent and I dont want to go into a deep depression or be to tired to handle my responsibilities. So, my suggestion is not to start it because it does become something your body will get used to functioning with and then when you quit taking it you will have problems functioning properly. So I’m on an extremely slow path of decreasing how many I take. My advice again is dont get started cause you will become dependent and you will get suck if you dont have it. Plus you won’t have the energy you need and also depression will come. This has been my 6 year long experience with it. I take 23 jumbo capsules a day. Again it’s very expensive and I wish I never started. It did help me get off merh. And it’s not as bad as meth or heroin but it’s just a crutch and I want to live life on lifes terms.
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In my opinion it’s just another of the so called miracle substances that will just put someone right back where they started but that’s all il say lol.
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Ive had worst withdrawal from kratom then i had actual pain pills. I dis kratom for 7 years every day heavy hitter. If i didnt dose in time i would go into withdrawal asap. If you can do it for a week then jump ship and just tuff it out trust me it is worth itt.
Same 7 year every day! Never missed a dose. I feel off and started doing harder stuff again. Im 16 days clean from hard shit and kratom thank god. Ive tried to stop before. The mental anxiety and goosebumps. Diarrhea the works. Dont let anyone tell you kratom is less harsh because its a plant. Its the alkaloids in the plant that give you pain relief. Its just another synthetic drug
Hello everyone, I came on here a while back to ask questions. I now have my answers and I want to give fair warning to everybody. The kratom leaf has been used for thousands of years. The active ingredient is like .002% of the leaf. They have isolated that compound and concentrated into pills. It’s called 7OH and it’s addictive AF. People are saying it’s harder to get off than it is heroin or fentanyl. Opioids were never my thing. Alcohol was my DOC. It was just made illegal in Florida. I worry that this is going to be an epidemic where states make it illegal and people turn to the streets again for H or fentanyl. This is the confusion because reg kratom is actually sold in regular stores as a health supplement. Now people are going into smoke shops and gas stations and buying with their now calling gas station heroin. Anybody else hear anything? Experience anything? If you haven’t done it, stay the hell away!
I did 7OH pills a couple years ago but they were kinda new and not as many people new about them. 7OH is a alkaloid Found in the Kratom plant .. there is many alkaloids in kratom. 7OH is one of the most potent alkaloids in kratom but in regular kratom only makes up a small percentage. Kratom is a partial opiate Antagonist I think the word is but 70H is full. 7OH is more addictive because the half life is only like 4 hours and it’s also potent . Something like 14 times more powerful then morphine. This means it leaves your body quicker and it’s also costly. Since you can get it in stores this means in my opinion if you have a addictive personality it’s easy for it to get outta control. In my opinion 7OH is no different then Percs but maybe even stronger. There is not many opiates I haven’t tried. Really in the past and I don’t suggest this I would go from one to the next thinking I was OK.. Fentanyl then come off that with pills.. then come off that with 7OH then switch to kratom Only to eventually start the process All over again or switch to liquor and over and over again. I did hear that 70H got banned in Florida. This is a controversial subject but in my opinion just because I have a history of abusing drugs doesn’t mean that there’s people out there that that stuff might’ve helped or gotten them off harder drugs or whatever. I know Portugal is one of the first countries to make the majority of drugs legal. It’s almost like that thing where you tell somebody they can’t do something so they’re just going to do it even more. At this point I don’t know what it’s going to take to get the drug and alcohol problem under control in the world. I just know personally I can’t do any form of opiates or alcohol. I’ll just stick to caffeine and a crazy amount of candy
Long story short don’t do kratom or 7OH if you are part of this community or even think you have a problem with drugs or alcohol because it’s powerful opiates And it’s just as physically addictive as Percocets or heroin and you will become physically dependent and you will do whatever you Gotta do to get it and the withdrawals are horrible. Just because you can get it at a store or gas station doesn’t mean it’s not physically addictive or going to ruin your life.
Ps: I live in Florida. I’m surprised the seven lasted as long as it did. I guarantee you there’s a ridiculous amount of people losing their mind right now and probably entering rehab so maybe it’s for the best. It’s pretty much impossible to come off of that stuff on your own. But then also there’s the debate or topic that this is driving people to buy pills on the streets which these days it’s pretty much impossible to get what you think you’re getting. I don’t really know I just know what’s best for me. That’s complete abstinence from all mind altering Drugs
Maybe the community can tell and maybe they can’t but I am extremely interested in pharmacology, medicine, anatomy and psychology. I’m always reading and learning and really in the past it was to protect myself so I knew exactly what I was doing but now in retrospect knowledge wasn’t enough to stop myself from going to extremes but maybe my knowledge can help people in the future stay away from some of the stuff that sold in stores or some of the stuff that is illegal or whatever the case is. I’ve always been fascinated by drugs and what they do and what they are. Even something as simple as caffeine is extremely interesting.
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Thank you! Very very informative! Is it OK if I tell you the truth about me and tell me what I have to do. OK, about six months ago I started using straight kratom. I would mix it in a Gatorade or a fruit juice and I felt a little boost and energy and mood well, in the smoke shop they told me they have tablets too. I didn’t know what 70H was. I just assumed it was exactly what I was drinking in the Gatorade, but in pill form so I bought some. I still like the crayon in my Gatorade, but I thought the pill would come in handy for times when you can’t drink a Gatorade or any of that. More convenient. And it’s actually cheaper. So they come in 20 meg pills, I was taking half of one once in a while. Then it turned into half one a day. So that’s 10 mgs a day. I kept reading and reading and asking and asking and it wasn’t until about two or three weeks ago that I realized that the problem 7oh is a completely different animal. Now I’m scared to death over the month. Sometimes I just wouldn’t take one because I just forgot or just was doing something else, and I do recall having restless leg in the middle of the night. I had that as a child and it brought back memories, so I just thought it was that now I realize I was withdrawing and didn’t even know it. So when I saw that, I know I have to get off them. So, the next time I purchased 16 meg tablets. And took half of that, so now I am on eight MG’s of 7oh a day. My plan is to stay on seven, then cracking in half and half again down to five then down to four, and then quit on a weekend. Please give it to me straight, how bad are the withdrawals gonna be? I know this is attic type thinking, you know, saying it’s OK I’m just having a few after work with my drinking type mentality. But I have read a lot of testimonials of people literally on 100 to 500 MG a day. Do you think I’m going to be going through nasty withdrawals coming off 10, down to eight,?, I really appreciate your knowledge and advice. And anyone else who has experience please chime in….
To be honest if you were going to experience withdrawals you probably would already be noticing it because When I did them I was waking up in full-blown withdrawal in the morning because like I said the half life is only four hours so basically at four hours half of the substance is out of your system. So basically I was starting to withdraw within 6 to 8 hours. Typical opiate withdrawals.. Freezing, agitation, digestive issues, sneezing and runny nose and restlessness. I’m not saying it’s impossible to come off of it on your own but I would suggest going to treatment to be honest so you can learn some tools to stay sober. At the milligram you’re doing I don’t think you’re going to experience any kind of withdrawal that’s going to interfere with your day-to-day life really. I was doing upwards of 600 mg a day. I’m not saying you’re not going to feel uncomfortable but that’s a extremely low milligram your taking. But the reality is if you keep doing it it’s going to increase and you’re going to do more and more and your tolerance is going to grow and you’re going to make bad choices and it’s not going to end well. If you start to feel bad and you’re going through any symptoms just message me directly and I’ll walk you through it and there’s things you can do to make it easier and manageable. I spent years going from one drug to the next And especially convincing myself that if it was from the store then it’s ok. And not to be so direct and I’m not trying to be rude but you have to take accountability because if you’re going to take a substance you need to research what you’re taking. I mean obviously you shouldn’t take anything at all but you should at least be reading about what you’re taking. I’ve heard a lot of people say that they didn’t know what seven was and they thought it was kratom. Technically it is still kratom But it’s just an alkaloid that has been highly concentrated. But at the end of the day you made the choice to take some thing that you didn’t know what it was. I hope you can find a way to get off of the substance before it gets out of control. Best of luck
Ps: If you find that a few weeks from now you’re still struggling to taper and get off of this then maybe it’s time to consider a treatment place. It doesn’t take long for it to get out of control and to be honest I ended up in a psychiatric place because the withdrawals were so incredibly horrible and I thought I was losing my mind to be honest it was worse than coming off of heroin. I have mixed emotions on whether I feel like it should be banned or not but it’s probably for the best and it’s probably a good thing that a bunch of people are headed to rehab right now or have no choice but to quit doing it especially if they live in Florida. You might be doing only 16 mg right now but if you keep doing this it’s going to increase and your tolerance will grow and you will need more to experience the same effect and trust me you do not want to experience the withdrawals of when you are physically addicted.
Obviously I’m not a doctor and like I said you probably should try a treatment place but if you go cold turkey right now because your milligram is so low you’re probably just going to experience insomnia for a couple days and a little bit of anxiety or boredom. I would stop right now before you have no choice but to go to treatment or be locked away to get off of it
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