If it works but when i got sober there was only AA which prob saved a lot of lifes then now we have internet and mobiles and all the tech that has appeared in the last few years , just a note quite alot of these otherways have stolen sorry i mean borrowed some of the ideas from AA , but as i say if it works for you then thats fine i wont know if anyone here will be as long sober as i am ill be dead by then but i wish everyone a good sober life
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Me neither, and while I acknowledge the way many people have found sobriety through it, I am not necessarily grateful for something that guides people towards a Christian theology as their only hope. For something that is inherently opposed to freewill. Let philosophers debate whether or not there is such a thing. In my life, as a practical thing, think it is what allows me to make healthy choices. God has no place in it. I respect other peopleās right to believe anything they want, (if it doesnāt hurt others,) but respecting the right is entirely different from repeating the belief. Any none of God or or whatever has any relevance to me being sober or not. I think it is rather self centered and egotistical to think some outside force, call it the universe if you want, could care less about whether I live or die or whatever. That is only reserved for people with a direct connection, lovers, friends, probation officers whomever.
Thanks for replying
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I have found some secular AA meetings this weekend (online) that have been helpful. The group aspect is certainly appealing to me.
Hereās the listing if you to be interested at all.
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Same here!!
815 Days sober and I never did any steps. I hate AA. People are addicted to AA and meetings. Do the work, create your own program, get out and hike, walk, kayak, find what works best for you. AA doesnāt work for everybody, some yes, some no. Just being honest.
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I didnāt follow any program but found some of the concepts of the 12 steps helpful, and followed them as a consequence of quitting alcohol. Mainly honesty about who I am and needing to completely cut myself off from any opportunity and temptation to drink, the lack of control over my ability to moderate, etc.
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Hey there, about 4.5 years sober with no AA. Personally for me, Iāve said to myself that, if I ever drink againā¦or better yet hopefullyā¦if I ever think about drinking againā¦Iāve promised to go to a meeting. Luckily it has never come to that. I feel incredibly lucky through this site though to get a lot of pearls of wisdom and insight from the fine sober folks of AA who are on here. For meā¦anyone who is stacking up more sobriety than me is someone that I look to for insight,guidance and wisdom. That comes from both those on their own path, and those on AAās guided path. Whatever way itās happeningā¦itās happening. 24 hours at a timeā¦soberā¦rinse and repeat. It was helpful for me early in my sobriety to try to let labels fall down so that my ego could get out of the way to hear the wisdom behind them. What pearls of wisdom have been working to keep you sober lately?
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12 step is NOT Trauma informed and has caused so many people like myself to relapse in step 4. Iāve had psychologists inform me 12 step is not an indicated treatment plan for me due to my trauma history and now as a Recovery support specialist and a peer of others in Trauma support programs Iāve heard and talked with so many others who have struggled with this and thought about giving up because 12 step wasnāt working.
It works for some people but it does not work for others and can have a negative impact on some. Thereās so many ways to recover and to heal and grow as an individual and 12 is NOT the only way and I wish it wasnāt so heavily pushed on people trying to recover.
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I fall into this category somewhat. There are aspects of NA/AA that I completely disagree with and just keep quiet about because many people in these programs are right fighters and know it all. However with that said, there are many aspects of the 12 steps that have saved my life. So I feel you!!! Just keep doing you and staying clean! 
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