Recovery Dharma Thread

Everything is gonna be alright. But I do not know what alright is for me or for you.

My basic fear was of being abandoned. This led me to looking for certainty, the security and predictability in the passage. It is only in sobriety that I can allay my fear through a spiritual union with the Divine, through endorsement of the logical conclusion that everything that happens is real, and through emotional connection to other humans who are as frightened as I was and still can be.

I desperately wanted my world and feelings to change, and I just as resolutely did not want to change my behavior and I was almost incapable of changing my thinking that eventually, the booze would work, or would at least stop hurting me. One of the fundamental requirements of sobriety, and this is not new to me, is willingness to change behavior and thoughts. The willingness to accept reality per se required a new demonstration of honesty with myself and self-examination of my motives.

The short passage you cite is so succinct. It embodies most of the attitude and actions of at least the first 9 steps of AA. And all that work is in service of enlightening the mind and elevating my experience and that of those around me.

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from “The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times (Shambhala Classics)” by Pema Chödrön -

“Bodhichitta training offers no promise of happy endings. Rather, this “I” who wants to find security—who wants something to hold on to—can finally learn to grow up. The central question of a warrior’s training is not how we avoid uncertainty and fear but how we relate to discomfort. How do we practice with difficulty, with our emotions, with the unpredictable encounters of an ordinary day? All too frequently we relate like timid birds who don’t dare to leave the nest. Here we sit in a nest that’s getting pretty smelly and that hasn’t served its function for a very long time. No one is arriving to feed us. No one is protecting us and keeping us warm. And yet we keep hoping mother bird will arrive. We could do ourselves the ultimate favor and finally get out of that nest. That this takes courage is obvious. That we could use some helpful hints is also clear. We may doubt that we’re up to being a warrior-in-training. But we can ask ourselves this question: “Do I prefer to grow up and relate to life directly, or do I choose to live and die in fear?””

Alcohol was my stinky birds nest. Setting here thinking about this, I can come up with other stinky birds nests that have taken over alcohols postion. Luckily, over the last 6 years I have gained the tools that help me leave it. Somedays not as fast as others, bit I still leave that stinky nest.

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When I look back on my times of active addiction I can see that stinky nest clearly. And it is always easier to see these things in hindsight. Also sometimes we have people in our lives where this inability to leave a stinky nest is so obvious to us.
But now that I think of this image of this really smelly nest there are so many situations where we are exactly there and just can’t see it. I did not see it with my marriage, now I can see it. I did not see it with the way I delt with mood swings, now I can see it.
How do we get to see where we are?

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Its like you read my mind after I was done reading. I got thinking about the youngest’s stinky nest, and for the first time…I could see and feel what he was doing. I feel horrible for him.

How do we get to see where we are? For me: sonriety, working this program, meditation…they are all key. While I admit I see my stinky nest still after sitting in it, I dont set in it as long as I did. I believe, for lack of better words, constant vigilance on my part helps the realization happen much sooner than later.

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I finally got around to reading Dharma Recovery. Took me five years to get this far. It’s funny, it feels so familiar, so much like how I feel it should be. How I want to live life, how life should be, how we should relate to each other. It doesn’t feel new to me, but to see it all written down, it moves me. The part about sanga did most. This little example here:

“We practise compassion for all living beings, including ourselves, by seeing the truth beneath all our fears: that underneath there’s a loving heart in all of us. We begin to see clearly that those around us experience more pain when they see us struggling alone, instead of us allowing them in.”
(my own translation from the Dutch version)

I’m still in my stinky nest. At least I see it now. And I’m at least partly on the right road too.

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I feel in my heart what you wrote, especially the part about seeing it all written down.

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from “The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times (Shambhala Classics)” by Pema Chödrön -

“It’s hard to know whether to laugh or to cry at the human predicament. Here we are with so much wisdom and tenderness, and—without even knowing it—we cover it over to protect ourselves from insecurity. Although we have the potential to experience the freedom of a butterfly, we mysteriously prefer the small and fearful cocoon of ego.”

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from “The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times (Shambhala Classics)” by Pema Chödrön -

“A human being is a part of the whole called by us “the universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening the circle of understanding and compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. —ALBERT EINSTEIN”

The world is bigger than me, and I am not the center

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Another perspective could be you are the world and there is no center.

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I am going to wrap my head around that perapective.

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Pretty sure it is both. :blush:

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What is recovery dharma in simpler terms?

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A recovery program based on buddhist principles: abstinence, meditation, meetings, buddhist understanding of suffering, addiction and cravings, community, growth.
I’d suggest to join an online meeting. You’ll get a pretty good idea what this is all about.
Recovery Dharma Website

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from “The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times (Shambhala Classics)” by Pema Chödrön -

“I feel gratitude to the Buddha for pointing out that what we struggle against all our lives can be acknowledged as ordinary experience. Life does continually go up and down. People and situations are unpredictable and so is everything else. Everybody knows the pain of getting what we don’t want: saints, sinners, winners, losers. I feel gratitude that someone saw the truth and pointed out that we don’t suffer this kind of pain because of our personal inability to get things right. That nothing is static or fixed, that all is fleeting and impermanent, is the first mark of existence. It is the ordinary state of affairs. Everything is in process. Everything—every tree, every blade of grass, all the animals, insects, human beings, buildings, the animate and the inanimate—is always changing, moment to moment. We don’t have to be mystics or physicists to know this. Yet at the level of personal experience, we resist this basic fact. It means that life isn’t always going to go our way. It means there’s loss as well as gain. And we don’t like that.”

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It doesnt take a Phd in Rocket surgery to know what is being talked about here. I see it daily. I can still live in the stinky nest if I am not careful. I am greatful that this jorney has gi en me insight to see it and the tools to get out ofit.

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from “The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times (Shambhala Classics)” by Pema Chödrön -

“we look for happiness in all the wrong places. The Buddha called this habit “mistaking suffering for happiness,” like a moth flying into the flame. As we know, moths are not the only ones who will destroy themselves in order to find temporary relief. In terms of how we seek happiness, we are all like the alcoholic who drinks to stop the depression that escalates with every drink, or the junkie who shoots up in order to get relief from the suffering that increases with every fix.”

I wish I would have read these words when I started my sober journey. Normies are just like us, just use something else. So much insode me about this i cannot put into words just yet.

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But would you have been able to grasp it my friend? I wouldn’t have. All in its own time.

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Probably not fully. It helps lessen the stigma of being broken.

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I really do think that knowing the concept of how dissatisfaction is so very basic to our human experience, that every single person has to live with that, and that we all try to get rid of it, could help so many people. So many of us think there is something wrong with us cause we can never be satisfied. Yeah, we are human like that. And I believe that a lot of self destructive behaviour stems from this self image of being broken, not being ok, not being enough, being a mess, etc. There is so much freedom in realising: That it is ok to be a mess. We all are. :mending_heart:

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So true. This idea of being broken, of lacking in xyz. We get so attached to it, at least I did. We are humans, we aren’t perfect.

Wavy Gravy said it well, ‘We’re all bozos on the bus, so we might as well sit back and enjoy the ride.’ :slightly_smiling_face:

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Been gone to long. Think I need to get back on that horse and get doing some RD. The phrase, " ok, i will just put a note up for the customers that appologizes for our lack of time management and that we are sorry that we are fucking stupid."…may have come out my mouth.

Its a 100% valid statement…might need some softening up on the delivery.

Edit: i needed to get that out. It is where I was at in the moment. Wosh i would have found a more constructive way to deal with my stinky nest.

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