Anyone that has never heard of this I think they should take a look at the idea of it.
Hope this helps outher people like it has helped me massively! All about he importance of mental strength and I personally am really lacking in self drive and self worth… Can any of you relate and can see this helping you? I think it’s all things we all can benefit from thinking about 
Love you all 
Been watching these Stoicism videos on YT myself every now and then. Lots of things that would’ve been really helpful to me 30 years ago, like dealing with (avoiding?) toxic people/relationships, handling rejection, etc. Having self-respect…things I lacked in my younger years.
I often listen to similar clips on stoicism to start my day. I find them extremely helpful. 
I’m going to check this out
I just started this a week’ish ago. Very good so far.
One of the last great philosophers and stoics.
I’m really glad someone dropped this here…Good reading.Has helped me immensely over the years…very reflective
I prefer the act of reading more than listening, but I had some credits on Audible and decided to get the two suggested titles in here. 
pretty much my favorite book of all time
Me too.
It is not a tradition I have a lot of familiarity with but this thread spurred me to look it up. In particular I am interested in peering past the early impression I have of stoicism - a bunch of ancient men delivering audiences abstractions about how they think lives should be lived (I can’t get excited about that, for the same reason I can’t get excited about superhero movies: I already know the key events and heroes and villains of the plot; the only thing that will be (sort of) new is the special effects, the delivery, the showmanship, and for me that’s not worth the investment to pay the admission price and dive deeper into the movie, when I could use that two hours to do something that for me personally would feel more impactful and transformative) - and instead I’m very interested in the messy and multidirectional situations of stoicism playing out in day to day human life with injustice, inequality, (self)censorship and (self)limiting or (self)liberating behaviours, and other ways philosophies and principles get messy in practice.
(Messy things are interesting 
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I found this article from political theorist Lisa Hill which is an interesting read on how stoicism, at least at the level of theory and (in some places and times) in practice, can be seen as an (ancient) first wave of feminism. Hill makes some thought-provoking observations about the ways stoic writers’ attention to women as compared with (for example) slaves introduce some complications and contradictions to stoic ideas about who is a person, what rights and responsibilities come with that, and what significance that has in practice.
What stood out to you about the book you give above? (The Art of Living) What are some the points and proposals etc that caught your attention?
I’ve been listening to this audio book all day.
It’s incredible
Right?! I have to get back into it. Your back stands up a bit straighter when reading.
So well said.
Thanks for the article , ill come back to it.
My pleasure.
One of the other things that bothers me about Stoicism is that it rests on slavery. The reason Marcus Aurelius had all that free time for writing is because Roman citizens (like him, who enjoyed all the financial and social benefits of citizenship, of which non-citizens had none (life as a non-citizen in Rome was difficult, to put it very lightly)) - Roman citizens were only about 20% of the population, and their life was very comfortable. The rest of the population, which included millions of slaves, did the actual work. I don’t see how the principles described by Stoic writers can exist in the practical world; they can be described in theory by writers living in a slavery economy but I don’t see how they can be put into practice in a systematic way. Like equality, for example. I truly don’t see how equality and Stoicism - a full enactment of Stoicism - can co-exist.
Wait for me! I don’t have time to write back fully now, but I’ll say, all ideas can be stripped of their contexts. Now, they can, should they? Not always.
True. But doesn’t it seem like the whole Stoic framework - the whole prudence, fortitude, temperance, and justice focus - rests on a perspective that starts with privilege and leisure, and then works to restrain or limit that privilege? What does temperance matter, for example, when food is scarce? What is justice? For whom? (And how does justice relate to prudence and its cousin, victim-blaming?)
Who has time to think about these things in the abstract? I feel like the Stoic questions are only relevant for a society that is living a life of decadence, consumption, and privilege.
To say something is not feminist because of xyz is incredibly important, and then, even more so, is to apply a feminist lens to the theory and bring out how, if put into practice, such theory is failing to fulfill the claim for example that women share the same virtue as men. There is no doubt misogyny in many of the philosopher’s perspectives, but the theory can be feminist if we apply a feminist perspective to the theory. Everything I learn and live is filtered through a feminist perspective, and I do learn how to improve this. I see it also as a the student becomes the teacher (without the dynamic of power of subordination), which is to say, well you claim we are all equal, this is how. All should enjoy personal and political autonomy? Well then alright, this is how. The framework though of Stoicism is not inherently anti-feminist, because their foundations match the idea of feminism’s liberal ideology that all individual’s have rights, equal rights. And also, an idea I really enjoy is that despite oppression, the oppressed never lose virtue.
Any cognitive paradigm’s are interesting to me, and I very much enjoy the idea of all of us being governed by logos, logic, to live in accord with our nature. The serenity prayer is essentially Stoic, the idea of creating our own merit, accept events as they occur, or see things for what they are.
I appreciate your perspective though, because this is true, I think there is moving past this though, and seeing the things for what they are, which is what I try to always do. To pit something against something else kills reality, and doesn’t offer a chance to ground theory either. Theory as theory is useless, but an analysis of grounded theory is where its at.
There’s a lot of threads to your share here. I’m going to take some time to process it.
You ask illuminating questions.
no rush ever with me.
i’m just a ball of sunshine.
