I apologize for the insinuation. Thank you for pointing out my error.
About the rest, well, then there’s nothing to be done concerning your sister. You can only do what you can do, right? It doesn’t just fall on one person to be willing to understand and then accept that you don’t agree with the presented argument without making it personal.
My long winded, questioning persona doesn’t lend well to online socialization. Thank you for your patience.
Not possible. Science and religion are as different and insoluble as oil and water. Each have their function and each are useful in their own domain of human experience and learning, but they are not things that can be explained in one another’s terms. They are different epistemologies.
If we rephrase it a little, what I hear is:
“We like to lean on [repeating sound bites we’ve heard scientists say and/or headlines and key findings from scientific papers and articles], and yet the more we do that, the more we make [our habit of doing that sound the same as unreflective repetition of texts and ideas from religious traditions]”.
To me that captures what’s happening there. There is a pattern today of inserting sound bites and unreflective repetition into our words - has been for a long time - and it happens in a lot of topics humans talk about (scientific research and religious experience among them). It’s not a problem of science or of religion; it’s that there’s something missing in how we think and how we communicate what we (think we) know.
Soooo, I’m a confirmed bookaholic. It’s my nature to always and I mean always finish a book I start. About twenty years ago I was reading a book about abductions. About halfway through the book the author started describing one of the alien types that had been reported to him. I couldn’t even finish reading. My hair stood on end, I got nauseous, I was trembling and my stress level spiked. I put that book down. I don’t remember the title or the author. I don’t remember anything about the description. I have no clue what happened to that book. To this day just the memory of trying to read it and my heart rate speeds up.
Not saying I was ever abducted but I will say I never tried reading any other book on the subject. I just can’t.
Hiya @SassyBoomer . Now I really need to know the title. . When I was reading ‘The girl in the box’ i was affected in a similar way …both about abduction Ive just realised.
Oh and also watching The Ring or Ringu goose flesh just thinking about it.
I also delved deeply into the flat earth and reasons behind it so i could make up my own mind and there are many explanations that actually make sense. I love a good conspiracy theory, i love the idea that it could be real or may not be and the researching and finding out what i believe after having as many facts as possible is exciting.
You know part of me still feels i need more proof the world is round or flat, but for me it was important and is always important for me to see the reasoning behind each theory, and with all the evidence to prove the earth is flat actually works… just as it does for it being round … i do beleive Nasa fake photos
I think being able to discuss differences in opinions and beliefs is important, and its exciting when a bunch of us can do that without it becoming a heated debate and we actually learn and listen to eachother, thats exciting, and also to be respectful of eachother - these are the best discussions in life.
Nudging a bit back to the original topic on this thread (“Astronomy, science, rockets, NASA, and all the space topics”)
There is soooooo much water in the Solar System. It amazes me how much water there is. It’s a bit like travelling across a desert, and there are oases, so you plan your route to go through them, to refill your water supply and get other items you need.
I imagine that our ancestors felt similarly about crossing the Sahara. It must have taken years, decades (maybe centuries?) of trial and error before they had the trade routes set, so caravans could make it through the punishing conditions in the desert.
There is a distinction between what is empirical (based on observable, measurable, and verifiable objects and events), and what is not empirical. Neither one is better or worse, but they are different, and they serve different purposes (like oil and water: both serve valuable purposes, but they don’t mix with each other).
The story “Lord of the Rings” and the story “Extinction of the Dinosaurs” are both stories that involve epic events of world-shaking significance. They are both narratives, but only one of them is empirical.
All humans live their lives in stories, and all human cultures have myths and fictions and compelling tall tales of one type or another. These aren’t empirical, and they’re not supposed to be. These types of stories are for entertainment and imagination.
What science does is tell stories that are empirical. They’re not about entertainment; they’re about discovery and exploration. And it’s not something that ever stops. It’s an infinite story of learning and development, as we travel through history, from one age to the next.