Quitting PMO

I’ll share some of my experience about this amazing and rewarding journey.

For me, PMO wasn’t the problem. It was just the bandaid that I used to medicate myself from the other bigger problems in my life. The secret for me was not to stop PMO, but rather to identify and address the other root problems within me. And the identifying was the hard part. Until then, I stayed a chronic relapser.

But that’s the gift of this journey. By changing so many aspects of myself, I end up transforming into an amazing version of myself. It’s my true self; my more masculine, more confident, more emotionally aware, under the image God by overcoming my own human-ness. That’s had a huge impact on my life, my career, and relationships.

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Thankful to all for your support and advice. Today I feel tired. Tomorrow is another day. Happy that today my head will hit my pillow with another day without PMO. The site blocks help immensely. I haven’t been “blocked” yet but just the sheer knowing that the sites are blocked has been enough to keep me from acting out. The next phase will be deleting old saved pictures. I came across some today that were sent from friends (some I’m not even friends with anymore) and I think now is a great time to get rid of those.

Such an interesting journey this is. So many layers to it. Just keep peeling back. Thank you all!

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Coming up on 4 days no PMO. I’m proud of that and will be riding the high of success to continue this journey. I will say I found some spots of potential pitfall in old save pictures that I still had of past hook-ups/sext session. I have no moved my attention over to deleting every single one of those images. They no longer serve me and what a way to continue looking back, right? So putting effort into deleting all of that. I officially deleted old friends that I know we were only friends because I liked to masterbate to their “thirst posts”. This addiction goes deep!!!

Fully deleted my Snapchat account. Sat back and thought about it and the only real reason I use it is for Lust or getting a high off the “hunt” and potentially opportunity that someone I added either friend I know or stranger sends me a nude or we exchange in a sext session.

Again, this addiction goes deep!!!

All this self-reflection has been helpful for me. Really helps me shine a light on which relationships are true and which ones were just there for me to use for acting out.

Still fighting the good fight. Here’s to being PMO/Lust/porn free now and for all of 2025 and beyond.

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Darn right!

Happy to hear about your progress. Looking forward to hearing more. The effort is worth it. Remember to keep reaching out and learning!

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Yes. Definitely gunna keep reaching out! Happy New Years, everyone! It’s 11:30pm where I am currently. I think I can make it another 30min haha.

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Feeling good. Had a interesting situation this morning with sexual urges (I’m also trying to not masterbate) and it was nice to be able to remember the techniques of focusing on my breath to help divert attention away from pleasure seeking into being more present with my mind and body. I’m not against masterbating. Of course I see it’s a healthy thing just like eating, sleeping, etc. I find it becomes problematic when it becomes habitual and turns from simply being a small pleasure to a mandatory habituation used to regulate your emotions throughout the day. I was able to deviate from the urge to act out sexually this morning. Can’t say this enough, the phone outside of the room helps fucking wonders. I still have my computer in my room but it’s off and the work it would take to get up and turn it on and wait for the 5 minutes it takes to turn on fully is enough of a buffer for me to withhold when I “play the tape all the way through”.

Happy New Year, everyone!

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Congrats on the 5 days!!! Keep doing your thing.

For me, I can’t only take out PO and continue with M… I’ve tried. It’s sustainable for a bit but then it all just comes back together and leaves a trail of chaos behind worse than the previous relapse. I find when I return back to my DOC I sink deep down into my addiction quicker and surpass where I left off. It may be dormant when I dont act upon it but it still grows throughout that time. M, for me, still gets tied to lustful thoughts and fantasy. I dont need P to help me develop the images that come to mind. My visualization capabilities can far exceed those of P most days… its just another resource I had access to, though. In order for me to be successful, I have to be willing and diligent not to give into any of the 3 for my sobriety.

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Ah, yes. That makes sense. Definitely trying to make sure I don’t cross the line of self chastisement for having a healthy urge to M (I like that shortening haha) because to me, M it just a bodily behavior like sleeping, shitting or eating. And I don’t want to shame myself for being…myself. And I don’t want to deny myself the opportunity of being able to be intimate with myself in a healthy and loving way.

Currently I’m not there yet. Not by a long shot. Like you mentioned, I think I would just end up cycling back into the full three, PMO, if I just continued to M unabated.

I dont know. M is a hard one for me. Is it a bad thing? Is it a good thing? Everything in moderation, right? But what the fuck does that look like?

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Good for you! Making progress :+1:

Happy new year!

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Touche. Ultimately, you’ll have to find what works for you.

I only have one other takeaway as feedback. To me, as a sexoholic/lustaholic, the “moderation” aspect of it, if I could relate it to drinking, would be like an alcoholic knowing that they sufffer from alcoholism stating that maybe if they cut back to just one beer a day, or only drinking on the weekends or socially, or just switching to wine vs beer/liquor… those kind of things. Trying to modify a diy recovery to taper off or moderate their consumption. There may be some people that are able to do so and have reasonable success with it, but for others they know thats a path leading to relapse.

I know when it comes to PMO, for me, there is no “moderation”. I have tried and used that justification to continue acting out and it has always faltered.

I wish you well in your recovery.

Is it “P” that you’re currently solely abstaining from then?

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I always appreciate feedback from others. Thanks for sharing. It is mainly P. But also other lustful behavior. Currently right now just ceasing all of it. Learning to pay attention to triggers and also how to combat urges.

My reason being mainly because I want to have a more authentic relationship to self and life and eventually with sex. I believe my understanding of sex has become perverted and I have become dependent on a digital aspect of it as well as a anti-socal approach to it that stems from obtaining pleasure as the endgame.

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That’s a common idea today. I have had to work to understand this more deeply for myself in my recovery.

I have started to ask myself some questions about human behaviours:

What is the behaviour?
What is actually going on, for me and for others? Is it essential (necessary), in the sense that my body will physically die without it, and if so, what is necessary, or essential, about it, and how can that need be met?

What is the behaviour, fundamentally? How do I recognize when I am doing the behaviour, vs. not doing the behaviour? What are the “gray areas” of the behaviour? Where can I gain insight into those gray areas?

Are there ways the behaviour can seem to be happening on the surface, but actually, more deeply, it is a harmful (per)version of the behaviour, and it is harming me or others? What are healthy boundaries with the behaviour, and where / when are those boundaries violated?

What are the behaviours of sleeping, shitting, and eating?

These are behaviours that have one physical thing in common: if they are not done for long enough, it leads eventually to the physical death of the individual’s body.

At the non-physical level, they have at least one thing in common too: they are environment-dependent (I have environments that lead to better or worse sleep, poops, and nutrition, and this is physical (for example, the types of food I eat) and non-physical (for example, the emotions and burdens I feel, which affect my poops as well as my sleep and nutrition)). That means they are also choices I make: I choose my environments, or at least how I react to my environments.

Since sleep, poops, and eating are environment-dependent, I have the privilege (and responsibility) to make healthy choices for myself, of how I choose to do the behaviour. I can choose to do the behaviour within boundaries that make it uplifting and constructive for me.

To take eating as an example, it is essential that I eat a good mix of basic nutrients, without excess fat or cholesterol (which in many societies in North America is far in excess of what is balanced). However it is not essential for me to fantasize about other foods I could be eating. The thing that keeps my body physically alive is not the fantasies about food, or indulging impulses to eat junk foods.

[Edit to add: another layer to this is there’s a difference between eating to subsist (merely to survive or to fill oneself) and eating to thrive. Eating to subsist doesn’t require much in terms of boundaries. There are many examples, today and in the past, of people eating barely enough to keep their hearts beating (or, alternatively, eating way too much food but the food is nutritionally empty). But eating to thrive must be done within boundaries, and establishing and maintaining boundaries takes effort and healthy limits. When boundaries exist and are respected, everyone has enough food and everyone has a chance to thrive. When boundaries are ignored or manipulated, the body goes out of balance - more and more as time passes - and relationships go out of balance too, because unhealthy, unsustainable eating causes whole ecosystems to be imbalanced, and many people in these ecosystems suffer in one way or another.]

There’s two (and more than two, probably) layers to eating: the physical layer, the basic eating of something, some type of food, without which I will physically die; and the other layer(s), the layer(s) of what I do (what I eat) and when and how.

What is the behaviour of masturbation, and is it the same as one or more of sleeping, shitting, and eating?

Physically, not masturbating does not lead to physical death of the individual’s body. That’s an important difference.

There are many different voices about masturbation, many ideas that float around in everyday news and headlines and talking points about it; it is common to hear that it has some type of regulatory or balancing effect, or some similar idea. These ideas sound to me like the whole “wine has antioxidants” script: that may be true, but I can get similar servings of antioxidants in a healthy serving of blueberries. There are other sources I use.

Since there is this fundamental difference, the question is not about whether masturbation is (physically) an essential bodily behaviour like sleeping, shitting, or eating. What the question is about - and there are probably multiple questions - will cover a lot of layers, and these are beyond the scope of this post. The important takeaway from this post is there’s one thing masturbation is not about, in my experience, and that’s physical need.

Nothing about masturbation is physically essential, in the sense that my body will die from not having it. There are other layers, non essential layers - layers that relate to when and how I should engage my sexual behaviours - but those are questions that are beyond the scope of this question (which was about whether there is a basic physical necessity).

Since this fundamental difference between masturbation and sleeping/shitting/eating exists, then that, for me, is a constructive space to start asking myself, ‘What am I / what was I doing when I masturbate(d)? What effects did that have?’

The answers to those questions are a deep and rich conversation which is under way on the TS threads relating to recovery from PMO and lust/porn/sex addiction.

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To piggyback off of that, in a basic sense, to me, sleeping, shitting, and eating are all NEEDS for our body to even function properly. The need to eat to nourish or body, need to excrete waste, and need to rest our brain, body and muscles so that they can repair and we can function the next day. Without any of those 3, you would perish. Now, with that context, “M” would simply be a want and not a need. “M” is truly a voluntary experience where the others are needed to survive, as you kind of pointed out>>>

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Awesome points and I thank you both for bringing them up! And, I would like to say that, yes, I’ve been thinking deeper about the behavior of “M” and ask that question of, do I neeeed this right now? Is it truly serving me for anything other than just to seek out pleasure?

But then I go into the realm of thinking about what it means to be a human. We of course have all these receptors in our brains right, and chemicals that are released for pleasure. And some people like to think that those pleasure behaviors simply are just that until they become perverted. And for me, “M” became habitually perverted. At the very least, in the morning and at night. So it become what felt like a need for my body to regulate my emotions because my body became dependent on that.

But through this conversation (and journey in general) I’m realizing the power of sex is strong and do people only have sex to procreate? No. Then why withdraw ourselves the ability the pleasure of masterbating (in a healthy manner). I feel there is power in maintaining control over your sensations but also being able to provide that experience for us individually.

But the power lies equally in being able to withstand an urge as it does in being able to experience it.

I don’t know. I’m still not partaking in “M” currently and it mainly stems from answers to questions that were presented above. Where is my “why” behind the behavior? Is because I’m lonely? Is because I’m mad, sad, hungry, tired, etc. using my urges now as moments of check-in for me. Mostly it’s because I’m just bored.

And who knows, maybe I’ll never go back to “M”. But I don’t want sex or behaviors that revolve around sex to turn into this sterilized thing were I can embrace a full range of bodily autonomy in sexuality with myself. What a gift to be able to experience that for ourselves by ourselves, by our selves.

The other thing to consider is that people who don’t have problems with masturbation don’t spend so much time thinking about whether masturbation is a problem for them. It’s kind of the addict’s dilemma. The preoccupation with the addiction stuff and how to keep it around - how to find the perfect balance - might be a sign there’s a problem :upside_down_face:

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I find that think about things definitely can bring to surface a problem. But all problems can be solved. And people solve problem in different ways, shapes, and forms. But merely having a problem doesn’t mean it’s a problem forever. Could be you’re just interacting with your reality in a way that’s caused a problem for you and there might be a healthier less toxic way to go about a certain experience as to make it not a problem. The only way to know which route for you to take it to think about it. Nothing wrong with a little contemplation :). Or a lotta contemplation, haha.

True.

Solving a problem starts with identifying the problem.

What is the problem that is being solved here?

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The one? Or the many? Haha. I agree though. Not trying to say “M” is the way. It’s been nice feeling like I have control over just aimless urges. That has come from my experience with this group and talking through this journey with y’all.

Can I say though, I have so much time on my hands now, lol. Like, man! That’s a great feeling.

You still haven’t answered my question.

I didn’t know it was mandatory that I do so.