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We could have a contest who’s the loneliest wolf of the two I feel. But we won’t 
. My lonely wolfism stems form my unsafe attachment as a toddler and was reinforced by the psychological sexual abuse I endured as a preadolescent. Both together made me extremely self-reliant but not in a healthy way.
So me being the lonely wolf was formed, not born into me. I feel that I was born a very social being. And the connection mantra reminds me of that and I keep repeating it to remind myself in the first place, although I do think it will help all.
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Good question really. I would imagine there are a lot of cultural and societal things instilled in us that have nothing to do with religion.
What is one that you feel you’ve had to deconstruct?
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The context/manner to which someone expresses their belief in God may be seen as pretentious. Simply having a belief in god is not pretentious.
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Well Dirk, the post I replied too seems to have been deleted…
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I have thought really hard about what the most appropriate response would be. In the nicest way possible, I am not 100% sure your post is relevant in an atheist/agnostic/humanist thread?
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have a Fab Nice day mate,
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Is this still about ways to stay sober without religious or higher-power belief? I love trashing certain beliefs, in the proper contexts. But mostly, I’m beyond tired of having my own beliefs trashed.
Anyway, I’ve found godless ways to attain sobriety. It’s absolutely nothing earth-shattering or new, and in fact probably too mundane to be worth mentioning. Quite simply, I don’t want to suffer and die young!
Sounds like a “No shit” thing to say, but I had been drinking heavily while thinking I could kick the can down the road indefinitely.
“Ah, they exaggerate the risks.”
Or, “End of the day, it’s all about genetics.”
Or my favorite, my go-to: “I don’t drink every day, so I’m fine.”
All that bullshit.
What helped is that I finally weighed myself and took my blood pressure. Wow, time for a reality check. Both had skyrocketed even over a five-month period. Like, damn, I’m probably going to die within five years at this rate. My life sucks, but I still don’t want to go out that way.
Fear is fuel.
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Big up, brother! So well said.
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It is.
If that’s enough for you, great. And congrats. Personally I needed a bit more, I needed to work on ways of dealing with life other than drinking and smoking myself into oblivion. I needed therapy for that, and peer support (found that mainly here, never did 12 steps but attended some meetings early on), and a lot of knowledge about addiction and how to beat it.
For me the main thing (also about this thread) is that we all have to find our own way, but there are similarities in how we all do it. You keep doing your thing friend.
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“Is this still about ways to stay sober without religious or higher-power belief?”
This thread is hit and miss…I’m comfortable in my beliefs, or lack of…
No need to push others down to elevate.
I have little patience for passive aggressive sanctimonious poop that creeps in here.
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For those who have been around since the thread started, we wanted a thread where we didn’t have god stuff or Jesus stuff pushed on us. And yes, it’s about how we can achieve our goals without this idea of a higher power. Well, it is for me. Sure, I get that people seek something greater than themselves at times. We find our own ways. I also see that this thread, like plenty others here, can get derailed at times. I don’t think the intent is to trash others’ beliefs. But it happens. I’m not sure what else to say. The idea of a god or higher power just doesn’t factor in to my desire to be sober and in my life more broadly. It’s not a part of me. Why would I seek that just for the sake of being sober? Not for me.
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I like powers, all kinds of them. But the power to recover I have to find in myself. Whatever that may mean.
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When I first got sober dying an addicts death was a major influence in helping me get sober, but that fear alone never could keep me sober. I had to work on the issues in my life that led me to believe that substances were the answer. Eventually fear fades, but life will always be there. I know for when something major pops up in my life I’ve done the work to be able to handle it. Even if the fear has long been removed from my life
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