Sober without god. An atheist / agnostic / humanist thread. Please be respectful!

I wish I could like it twice.

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You had me at Amen :rofl:

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The overactive SkyDaddy crowd are off putting… I have retreated on this app…some peeps really need firm, direct conversation not hand holding.

“Sober Selfies”, “Pics of where you live” and " Screenshot Clean Time" threads that are non confrontational, so safe for me…

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If there are ‘off topic’ or derailing posts on threads, do feel free to flag them for review. Moderators do not read all threads or posts, we rely on forum members for assistance as needed. We are in this together. :people_hugging:

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I’m not religious. Somehow, even without being religious I’m more “Christian” than lots of people throwing out the claim. I don’t scapegoat my actions on the devil, I don’t give God credit for things that go well.

Honestly, I have no idea if any of that exists. What I do know is that we should treat eachother with kindness, Be helpful and empathetic. If there is anything after this life and that isn’t good enough to get in…. Oh well, I probably wouldn’t want to be there anyway.

Some people feel the need to be led, I’m not one of them. I don’t require a set of rules as a north star to my moral compass.

This is my take as a member, not a moderator.

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… As an afterthought, this thread got jammed up a few years ago.

From what I remember, it was felt, by a believer that this thread was being negative (or something close) towards those of faith.

So, I’ll drop this here.

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I agree with everyone above, some great points! It’s gotten to the point now where I have done everything I can to tailor my own experience here: I tried to exclude my exposure to many tags that were of a religious ilk, I blocked users for two weeks or more…I left and then came back. And I’m every day frustrated.

I am a kind and understanding person, generous of my time, open spirited and willing to be open minded… and I like to think that I am this both in online and real life… But I can’t take the pharisaical crap any longer!!

It really stinks that we are here discussing this on a specific thread for us, yet the rest of the forum is being swamped with dogma and repetitive statements. It is exclusionary and divisive, and low key makes me very uneasy… It certainly makes me not want to post openly, as a liberal minded gay woman. Surely there should be a separate religious thread for all those in favour to spend time together on. Then I could mute the whole thread.

It is what it is, I just feel frustrated that I feel so alien here these days. With everything going on in the world, this place was a safe sanctuary for me once upon a time. :heart:

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I’m not good with words so I’m just gonna say I fully agree with everything you posted💛

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You are very good with words. :face_blowing_a_kiss:

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Taken from my heart too friend. As a liberal minded gay man still trying to deal with his own sexuality and gender issues which I now feel no longer feel free to discuss here.

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Damn that is really sad to hear my friend. I understand that religion as a whole tends not to be as welcoming as advertised, but I always hoped that as a forum we could do better. Just know that you are seen, and loved, just the way you are.

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Oh, thank you so much for that tip — I didn’t know that yet. I’m still a bit new to the community and I’m still learning how everything works. I’ve never thought about flagging posts before, but now it’ll definitely be an option for me. Good to know it helps the moderators!

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@Tragicfarinelli @Mno I am so sorry you did not always experience this as a safe space. I didn`t make such an experiece so far and for me it is still a long needed safe space. I also do not feel excluded, although I can not relate to explicit religious posts. It does bother me if people are dogmatic, though. They can keep their mindset, but I have my own and it`s working great.

If there`s anything on your mind you would like to talk about, feel free to dm me. And if you decide to open a private group for a special topic I would be honoured if I was invited :slight_smile:

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Chiming in to throw my support onto this conversation- I try not to block people but I’ve started to do it over this issue specifically, just to maintain my own peace on the forum that I called home. I’ve only been here a year but it does seem to be getting worse even during that time.

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Yup…I’m in agreement with all the above. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken out about anything on here, but it is getting harder to navigate the threads I like for all the religious content and leaves me feeling uncomfortable and unwelcome. Everyone is free to believe, or not, as they choose, but I feel it is taking over on here and changing the vibe of us as humans supporting other humans through sobriety.

Proud of you all for all the things you are doing to keep yourself sober today :victory_hand::heart:

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I don’t think it helps considering the POLITICAL real world context of the current socio economic, human and religious landscape… My head is snapping context and stories and narratives around the barrage of dogma (whether right or wrong, I’ll hold myself accountable as fallible) and I’m feeling incredibly sad to be ‘living’ online as I feel that I am offline: suppressed, censored, Other, unwanted and clearly part of the problem and not the post capitalist ‘solution’ of utter self isolation and the self serving.

It’s such a cruel divisive world as it is. It’s frustrating coming here and reading absolute crap that I can never be part of and it being tied into sobriety. I don’t want to be part of that religious world AT ALL… I was christened Roman Catholic… I know I’m not welcome in many places, and I’m OK with that IRL. I cope, thanks. But to be constantly flashed a promise of sobriety that is presented as tied into religious beliefs is just utter poopy pants. :poop:

Welcome @Dilettante :heart:

I’m so glad it’s not just me being overly sensitive. Thanks for being here. I’ve had a bit of a wobble mentally with my sobriety over the past week. It’s all the Xmas commercials and shows and the glamourisation of drinking. I’m taking good care of my sobriety though with counter active measures and meetings if necessary. But it just reminds me that I do need community and I do need help, despite being a whisper away from being two years sober.

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“I maintain that faith in this world is perfectly possible without faith in another world.”

One of my favourites quotes on faith, by Rosalind Franklin.

(If you are interested who she was: Rosalind Franklin Deserves a Posthumous Nobel Prize for Co-discovering DNA Structure)

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I hear you :heart: I cant help but relate it all to prominent people on the world stage right now, those who shout loudest (ALL CAPITALS!!!) They are using their voice to divide the human race and deride those that aren’t ‘like them’ (i.e. white, Christian, preferably male).

I was brought up atheist (never baptised :scream:) by hippy parents who were rebelling against my overly religious Catholic grandmother. My lack of religion ‘othered’ me somewhat in school…all those hyms we had to sing in assembly I just mumbled through and the ‘silent prayer’ at the end. I remember not being allowed to join Brownies initially because I wouldn’t say the God part of the Brownie promise. In the end I had to say it to join, even though I didn’t believe it, which stuck in my craw and made me feel like a little liar.

Despite not having a religion, my parents managed to instilled a strong moral compass in me :face_savoring_food: I’ve always been taught that we are responsible for our own actions and we need to do our best to help each other and the planet. I think that’s why I found the guilt of my addiction so hard to deal with; it was all my fault, my choice, no-one else to blame…it was true though. On the flipside, I’m claiming the rights to my success in recovery. I’ve done this, along with the support I received in this amazing community. I couldn’t have done it without all you amazing folks :heart::people_hugging:

Christmas can be a tricky time in sobriety. I know you’ve got this though and look forward to celebrating 2 years with you soon :flexed_biceps:

:victory_hand::heart:

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Hi everyone.
It saddens me to say that I am looking for an alternative to TS.
The religious shite that is being written every fucking day in the main check in thread has me shaking my head in disbelief-literally.
Day 102 and getting stronger by the day :flexed_biceps:

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It saddens me, too :pleading_face:

But it makes me happy to see your 102 days :star_struck:

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