Stella's Cracked Looking Glass *** Trigger Warning ED ***

Yesterday was exhausting. I find talking to professionals about this stuff a lot to handle.
The nurse that I have on my case is amazing, it was nice to finally have an in person meeting with her. Like I said though exhausting. As we spoke and the words were spilling out of my mouth at one point she said, “I am worried about you, are you suicidal?” I was a little thrown off because this is the most stable I have ever been in the last 20 years. I assured her I am fine and we made a plan.

I feel like I really need to embrace my existence right now. I feel like because it’s an ED and not something that can be “quit” per say, that I need to do a lot of acceptance around my thoughts and feelings. That judging this is not going to get me anywhere. That maybe this is just where I am at today in my recovery, and I need to chill the fuck out.

I don’t know… its confusing, I need to let go.

:pray:

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Embracing your existence and accepting your feelings and thoughts is huge.
As far as the professional, they are often wanting to put “labels”, and fast talking could be construed as some sort of “a sign” in their vernacular.
You answered her question, so let that be, too.

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This all day. This is one of the really hard parts. I was texting my mother yesterday and said that for some reason when I see myself in a video, I can see how underweight I am. However, when I look in the mirror I see big. It’s so frustrating. When I was in a ED hospital years ago, they had us draw pictures of how we saw ourselves. All the anorexic and bulimic patients drew crazy lumpy bigger versions of themselves. The obese patients drew pictures that were significantly smaller than they really were. It was so interesting to me.

Yay mom for helping out :heart:

Can you see if they have a remote option in Naniamo? This whole thing would crush my spirits and I’m sure it’s a devastating blow. Sit with it. Digest it. I think it’s worth the drive. You can sing on the way :).

I’m force feeding myself now. I actually came on TS to post in my thread about how hard it is for me to get th calories I need. Want to die of shock? My target is now 2,760 per day. Do it have anxiety about it? Fuckity Fuck Yes!!! I’ve not hit goal, who the fuck can eat that much, there is only so much time in a day. I’m trying to sneak weight gainer into everything :woman_shrugging: I got you. We are going to do this together. I love you so much and care about you. Thank want you to be happy.

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I could have written that myself.
It’s such a strange feeling to me when something so intimate as self injury and eating disorder are mirrored by someone else. When someone else can take my thoughts and make them their own, I am not sure if it makes me feel good or empty.
This part of my illness is deep, it is the part that I never shared with anyone. It is the part that my addict would get me alone with, where it has tore down every ounce of my worth. The drugs and booze were just my medicine, they were my fix. When I took them away I was left with an addict in very active addiction with no way to numb her pain.

What I am coming to terms with is that numbing isn’t the answer. Sitting in it, understanding it, and allowing it to just be is part of the answer. Instead of holding onto so many resentments, trying to be grateful for situations in my life even the painful ones.

The earth and all its glory is a huge part of my “higher power” after a lot of thinking I started to feel so hypocritical. How can I deny my body nourishment when my higher power offers me amazing food from her core. When I think about the plant system and how deep roots run into the earth and how the energy is surging through that food and its being offered to me so that I can thrive… I am trying my best to change my mind set. I am trying my best to change my mindset from looking at food and seeing calories and weight gain to looking at food and seeing the earth and energy.

So once again gratitude is going to save my ass. Gratitude is what gets me through physical pain, through emotional pain, through psychological tug-o-wars. Gratitude is what is going to allow me to put healthy food into my body every 24 hrs, and for that I am very thankful.

(This morning’s harvest. :pray:)

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I am moved by the poem also. Although my issues are on the other end of the spectrum, I certainly feel that the extra weight my current binging will cause makes me horrid and ugly and worthless. And those feelings just trigger more binging. And I feel the same out of control “why am I doing this, why am Iike this” feelings that I felt on relapsing on alcohol. So hard to believe that I am worthy at any size, and that I am worthy of nutritious food that I savor rather than any old crap I ram down my throat that makes me feel sick and faint.
I am impressed by your thoughts about the higher power, and will try to look at things in a similar way also. Thanks always for your perception and openness.

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I had a tough day yesterday… I guess this topic just makes me emotionally raw. Anyways good news is the Addictions specialist I am seeing for my pain injections has offered to take me on for some counseling. I was feeling pretty yucky so opened up some NA literature to get grounded… this is the page I opened to…

It is a good read if you had a few mins very focused around this topic. My higher power has a way of doing that. :dizzy:

@CATMANCAM I thought you might get something from this reading too. :orange_heart:

Letting Ourselves Go

In the Third Step we make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him." Most of us make that decision for the first time early in our recovery, but our desire for control expresses itself in many different ways. It is not a decision we make only once. Each time we return to it our resistance lessens, our commitment deepens, and our ability to let go increases. Some suggest that we are in a process of progressive surrenders. We take back control and let it go again, each time finding that we can let go a little more, and that some of what we took back last time we can now let go for good. Next
time we look, we find that we are still holding on here and there: “I can turn over this part of my life,” we say, “but that
other part is my job to handle." Finding the line between personal responsibility and willful control is a challenge.
One member shared that for her, “The real surrender is surrendering to the fact that I will be surrendering for the rest of my life." It’s different for each of us. In fact, for most of us, the answers change over the course of our recovery.

Feeling at home in our bodies can seem to be beyond our wildest dreams. We feel too fat or too thin, too tall or too short, too old or too young. Some of us feel we were
born in the wrong time, place, gender, or culture. We may hardly recognize the person we see in the mirror, or in
photographs: “That can’t be me!” When something feels wrong inside, we look outside to explain it. Our sense of
alienation surfaces in all sorts of ways. We may simply feel uncomfortable in our own skin. We bring these issues into recovery with us, but it may be a while before we see that they are important. Many of us will share at meetings about having been bone-thin when we got clean, what we talk less about is our response when our bodies start to heal and we begin putting on weight. Some of us find that once the weight starts coming on, it
doesn’t stop. We might joke that we “put down the spoon and picked up the fork”, but it’s not always funny. We may feel deep shame or horror at the weight gain. Some of us consider using again to deal with it. We may stay clean but find that compulsive behavior-eating to discomfort, vomiting, fasting, abusing laxatives, experimenting with radical diets-brings its own problems, and its own rush. Obsession with our weight can also lead us back to control games with ourselves: We withhold food, exercise compulsively, and punish ourselves in order to drive ourselves into shape. Substitution can be a good tool for keeping us away from that first drug, or for helping us to replace destructive behavior, but it can also create its own problems. Obsessive and compulsive patterns other than using drugs often emerge after we get clean. Many of us find that our relationship to food is complicated. We may never have
known how to eat properly, and in our addiction, frankly, other things were more important. We ate irregularly, or we
ate junk food, or we didn’t eat at all. We got used to being hungry, or throwing up, or eating as much as we could whenever we could.
Our pamphlet Self-Acceptance cautions us that “sometimes we slip into the melodrama of wishing we could be what we think we should be.” We often act as if that only applies to the parts of us that we can’t see. We understand that freedom from our defects of character comes through acceptance of ourselves as we are, and willingness to allow a power greater than ourselves to remove them
but when it comes to what we perceive as our physical imperfection, too often we address the problem through attempts to control or punish ourselves. We invent strict rules and try to live by them. We act as if these obsessions and compulsions were somehow different from those we had already surrendered. It can be difficult to know the difference between behaviors we can change ourselves and those we must surrender. We are on the wrong track when we hold ourselves to unreasonable standards and berate ourselves for failing to meet our own unrealistic expectations. Allowing ourselves to be human does not mean that we live without boundaries or restrictions; it means that we seek sanity in our lives by taking the actions we can and turning the results over to our Higher Power. We let go. Even though we have so much experience in sharing our struggles with a Higher Power and allowing that power to
work in our lives, many of us hold on to the relationship with our bodies as something we must control through willpower. Whether we are learning to eat well, gaining or losing weight, or letting go of smoking or other habits, too often we forget that we have a program that teaches us to be free. Instead we mistakenly say that we have to “get ourselves under control.” We may never be free from the disease of addiction, but that doesn’t mean we cannot experience freedom. Fear of change is common among addicts—after all, we are creatures of habit! But sometimes this reaches extremes. We may be paralyzed by our fear. Sometimes what we fear are specific outcomes or consequences. Sometimes we experience a kind of free-floating fear that will attach itself to all sorts of things: We develop phobias, or we avoid risk to a point where it makes our lives very small. Some of us hold ourselves back from pleasure or sensation, either because we are afraid of the future or because we are afraid of the memories that may be unleashed. We fear that letting go might mean releasing our most destructive impulses. Some of us hide out by not caring for ourselves. We let go of personal grooming or hygiene, gain weight, or simply
present ourselves as people we don’t care much about. We may want to make ourselves invisible to hide from attention, or to walk away from an old way of being that we don’t know how to change. When we admit our fear and look at it honestly, we realize that the actions we take to avoid harm are sometimes more destructive than the consequences we fear. But when we really do let go, we are free to be all that we are, without fear, without guilt, without reservation. We begin to climb out of the hole we have dug for ourselves when we recognize that our behavior is not working. We practice appreciating small things about ourselves: the unique way we move, the way our eyes glitter when we talk about things that matter to us, the warmth we feel when we know we are connected to our Higher Power. We celebrate the fact that we are unique and have beauty to offer the world. Our uniqueness is our gift; when we forget that, we let the disease back into our lives.
When we fall back into disliking or even hating ourselves, our ability to love suffers. We buy into the old lie that we are not worth it or we’re broken. As we let go of the defects of character and other baggage we have been carrying, we
begin to uncover the truth of our humanity, our spirituality, and our beauty. Accepting that can be some of the hardest work we will ever do. Acceptance of ourselves comes as we develop a healthy relationship with reality. We accept what is, and learn to apply the Serenity Prayer, changing what we can and letting
go of the rest. We find that we can be happy in our own skin if we are willing to let go-not in the old sense of neglecting ourselves, but allowing ourselves to experience our freedom. We begin to experience our senses. The Basic Text tells us that we are “free to enjoy the simple things in life, like… living in harmony with nature.” And it’s true! When we see the color in the changing leaves, or feel the wind in our face, we feel the joy of being alive. We find a sweetness in
our pleasure that had been gone a long time. Some of us discover that we want to make art; we want to communicate
in creative ways. We may value being athletic-to be able to run, or swim, or dance. We lose ourselves in the moment and find, for once, we don’t have to think at all. We can just be. When we express the joy we have in living, it comes through
in our movement, our work, the shine in our eyes. We have a beauty about us beyond the sum of our features. When we allow that spirit to shine through us, we are beautiful-no matter what we think we look like.

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Thank you :blue_heart: I especially relate to this part;

We may be paralyzed by our fear. Sometimes what we fear are specific outcomes or consequences. Sometimes we experience a kind of free-floating fear that will attach itself to all sorts of things: We develop phobias, or we avoid risk to a point where it makes our lives very small. Some of us hold ourselves back from pleasure or sensation, either because we are afraid of the future or because we are afraid of the memories that may be unleashed. We fear that letting go might mean releasing our most destructive impulses. Some of us hide out by not caring for ourselves. We let go of personal grooming or hygiene, gain weight, or simply
present ourselves as people we don’t care much about. We may want to make ourselves invisible to hide from attention, or to walk away from an old way of being that we don’t know how to change.

As my life gets smaller and smaller, I get bigger and bigger. I actually have a copy of the NA Big Book, might give it a read now, maybe my higher power is giving me a signal through you, so thanks again for the tag :blush:

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Great idea Stalla :hugs: I had an eating disorder and was self-judgemental about it for a good third of my life, so I know how it can really mess with the mind and be emotional :heart: I remember how it started effecting my social life as I worried about the food occasions and what people would think… But it’s not your fault! :heart: And it’s days are numbered with your conscious awakening… :wink: Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself you genuinely love yourself for who and where you are, you forgive yourself, you are there for yourself from hereon, and you deserve to move on! We can consciously break the chains where family couldn’t. Big hug and all the best Stella :blush:

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Today my best was good…
I cooked
I ate
And I didn’t obsess about those two things.
I acted out in other ways but that’s ok.

My best tomorrow will be good too, no matter what happens, because it will be my best.

:heart:

@anon9289869 I saw this little meme thingy and it reminded me of you, hope you feel a bit better.
:sunflower:

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It’s been a hot minute since I have posted here. There are a few reasons for that. Firstly I don’t have a whole lot to report; I am still “acting out.” Secondly, the therapy I have been having isn’t really focused on my ED. I will get the most help through DBT or private services if I decide to go that way.
I have noticed some pretty important responses to my attention on my ED. When I focus on trying to correct it the obsessing gets SO bad. If I just let myself be, my behavior is less than good, but it is definitely better than if I don’t. When I try to be mindful and make meals and be present around food, it makes me so fucking uncomfortable that I shut down and don’t eat at all. The way I have been surviving the past 16 years is I sort of graze, then if I notice I have not eaten “enough,” I will eat a handful of nuts at the end of the day.
I have been talking to some people about how ritualistic I am regarding all of my addictions and how that has continued into my recovery. Some examples are the way I make my coffee, how I prepare my house at night and in the morning, and how I put my dogs to bed. Seriously everything is a ritual for me, including if I eat. I need to be present in myself and be aware of these things. I mean, I always knew I enjoyed the feeling behind my actions. Still, I didn’t understand how deeply engrained my behaviors were and how dependant I was on that comfort. I am beginning to believe realizations like this are more important than the “healing” I had been so hyper-focused on at the beginning of my recovery. Healing seems to be less of a contact sport than I thought. I will heal in time and in the order I am supposed to. I have accepted that.

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Wow this is powerful! I appreciate u so much for sharing your story with ED. I can really really relate to that insanity. I did not really grow up with others in my family focusing so much on calories, weight management, appearance etc. My grandmother tho used to make “fat” comments to my mom and I and comment negatively on our appearance and how much food we ate. My mom broke that behavior and didn’t do that with me. But when I would visit my grandmother, she would often make comments and I never felt like I could just be myself around her. That being said, my relationship with food got bad actually when I cleaned up at age 21 from meth. I also am very tall (5’10") and was very malnourished. I gained 100lbs in about a year being clean. Worked hard to lose 85lbs. Bcuz of this obsessive mentality for losing weight at that time, it became a very unhealthy thing with the meal prepping, weighing good, counting calories, often eating the same meals every day bcuz I hated logging calories for new foods, weighing myself, getting angry when I couldn’t work out, spending usually btwn 2-3 hours a day at the gym, and would often overdo exercise to the point of throwing up and potentially injuring myself with weights. I’d sit on the floor and literally cry bcuz my mind was saying I couldn’t eat something, I’d avoid holidays and events due to certain foods being there or even throw up if I took 1 bite of something I shouldn’t have. I got in great shape but that too fed into my obsessive thinking. And then working in the sex trade where appearance is everything, it negatively fed that thought of being perfect and that I wouldn’t be successful with my “career” if I had some extra weight. I’m currently unhappy with how I look but I’m focusing alot more on balance today. Not that obsessive thinking. What you’re doing will make such a huge impact on ur daughter so she won’t have to go thru what u have gone thru and are currently going thru. This isn’t an easy road but it sounds like u have alot in place to help cope with whatever may come up. I’m excited for you and your journey. I hope u post about it! Hugs to u girl as u embark on this new chapter of ur life!
Edit: also I just saw that this original post was from Aug. But I still see that you’ve made huge progress :slight_smile:

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Ty Dana, yeah slow and steady with this. When I cleaned up off meth I also gained 100 lbs and did EXACTLY what you did. Turned to over exercising, micromanagement of food… I was in amazing “physical” shape. I was doing cross fit and hot yoga everyday+ running 10 km 5 xs a week. But the mental obsessing about food weighing and using calipers to measure my body fat, counting macros etc etc etc. I was NOT ED FREE!!! I had just changed my obsessive behavior.
This time I want to heal, like really heal. I want to let go of all the pain I have inside from being judged souly on my appearance. Literally having your worth be based on your appearance really sucks the soul out of you. It is very hard to turn those voices down but I am trying.
As much as it sucks you understand I am happy to know I am not alone.
:kissing_heart::orange_heart::seedling:

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Ur nor alone at all! I often thot that too. I don’t generally talk too much about that part of my life bcuz I really see the insanity in that type of thinking. And when u posted ur story, I was like omg!! I’m not the only one who went thru this and has that kind of thinking! I’ve never heard someone share their story where I could relate so much to it. It’s very isolating thinking that way and feeling like u only matter based on how u look which is in itself very isolating also. There’s more to people than what appears on the outisde. In fact the REAL you is what’s inside, cuz idk about u, but I know I often wore a variety of masks and how I looked on the outside (no matter how “physically fit” I was, mentally and emotionally I was very sick). Just like drugs and alcohol, food and exercise had control :frowning: you’d are such a beautiful person on the inside! I am very very honored and blessed to know you :pray:

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The feeling is mutual.
:orange_heart::seedling:

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Update:
I have had hunger cues today. :slight_smile:

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Good for you!

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Could you explain abit more about these hunger cues? I assumed they were a good thing due to the smiley face. I feel like this is a huge for you! Especially from what I do know about your story :slight_smile:

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Yes of course, this explains it well.

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Omg girl :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: this is huge!! I didn’t know about this. I knew eating disorders were more than just weight related… that there was definitely an emotional and mental component. But I didn’t know about how having an ED can almost rewire the brain and decrease or eliminate hunger cues. Sooo the fact that u are experiencing this is AMAZING :clap: I’m really happy for u!

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