Alcoholic fisherman in recovery

You know this, Jason, that nothing good happens without sobriety. It’s not a guarantee that things are gonna turn out the way we want, but it is a guarantee that we will be able to accept what does happen as the truth of the moment. It will not be this way forever, things rise and fall and come and pass away.

Your sister in law has hard and fast boundaries, and your ex seems to have very flexible ones or none at all. And keep things in perspective:

Okay, but wouldn’t it be even easier if she had a real job and a stable life and custody of her own kids? The blame game is net loss for all involved, though. I have a hard time knowing to accept what is as reality and balancing that against the things I can and should change.

I got sober on this promise from the Universe, and it’s still delivering every day - Everything is gonna be alright. I don’t need to change a single quantum of energy, and everything is gonna be alright. And if I can make something else manifest itself, that is gonna be alright too.

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Im gonna check that out. I appreciate the tip.

Their grandfather told us to go 11 miles up currant creek. We drove past alot of fishy looking water and stopped about 6 1/2 miles up. It was beaver pond after beaver pond with nice, natural pools too. I saw alot of big fish feeding. The hatch was thick. Last hour of daylight.

My oldest caught his first fish on a fly there. Its our only fish so far. He walked up ahead of everyone that day and caught this on a San Juan worm

We fished the Provo at rock cliff last trip. The river is still pretty fast from run off, we were just getting dialed in where the current from the river hits the lake. They missed a few strikes we were fishing stonefly nymphs. Then their mom hijacked the day.

Thats them fishing across from eachother on our last trip. Its a dream come true. They are my everything!

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It would be easier if she had a real job.

She had started a legit cleaning business, but covid hit.

When I got here, there was no alcohol. The first time the boys came over, there was no alcohol. We all interacted close enough that I would have smelled it.

After they left she wasnt drinking. I dont know if her relapse started then, or she was keeping it hidden.

But shes been revealing it. And its become more and more. It worries me. I know enough of her story to know its a bad idea. I dont know anyone who has been through rehab as many times as she has.

She didnt hide her drinking after that “client” came over. I dont know if she just started doing it again or what.

As time has gone by, more and more alcohol has become present.

Their mom is a fuck up. Im not defending her. Her sister stole my kids and I hate her for that. Their mom put me through hell taking the the kids, just to hand them over to her sister. I hate her for that.

The sister is a piece of shit. Shes milking welfare using my kids. She also made it impossible for me to see my kids. Yes she had provided a place for them, but thats my job. I want it back.

Im not greatful for anything she has done.

The tides are changing.

As crazy as all of this bullshit is. Its almost exactly how it had to happen. My x kept her shit together enough and made it really easy for me.

I jumped on the opportunity, but now I have to navigate through her bullshit. Its kinda overwhelming.

I havent vented about it until now. I feel better. I bottle stuff up inside until i snap. Im trying to recognize it and not do it anymore.

Overall, I’ve gotten pretty good at shutting my alcoholic thinking down.

They had started opening things back up from covid. I was hoping to start going to meetings again. Cases have increased here so more rules have popped up. When the boys arent here in a couple of days im going to try and hit meetings, maybe find some service work. Im five days away from getting nine months. Im looking forward to getting my chip!

Everythings gonna be alright!

I love that! Its what i needed to hear. Thank you!

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I get alot of distractions these days trying to post.

I have ditched the girl I took to Hawaii. The beer offer was part of the reason. Its a pretty lonely feeling relationship. Long distance is hard enough. The week in Hawaii was the biggest.

That and I dont need the distraction from my boys. She is supportive in that but i have spent enough time with her to realize that I wouldnt want to live with her.

It worked out pretty good too. I knew that if I did anything with my x that it would be a deal breaker with her. It helped me resist any temptation with my X and gave me enough time to see that she hasnt changed at all. That has killed any temptation I had based on the good things in the past. The good things are history, and are best left there.

Now I only have the boys to focus on, Which is the way it should be for now.

By the way. I use to say i wanted to gut the sister like a fish. Now I say punch her in the throat.

Progress…

The throat thing is funny to me because the sister used to say that about people she didn’t like. Back when things were good, before she made me hate her.

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If you concentrate on your boys and your love for them and never have that first drink everything will fall into place @JasonFisher. Relationships come and go but the boys are your legacy.

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Hello Jason. I remmember reading your story long ago, before even your final relapse. And after that. I found it again yesterday and I adore your skills how you cope with your emotions. I also had a very toxic relationship with the mother of my son, we are both alcoholics, Im 343 days sober, she is not. We had a misscarriage, and later she decided for an abortion for two occasions. We are separated for 4 years now. I lost my house, wife and son that day, I found out she was cheating on me, we had a fight, she got a blue Eye, I got a ride in a blue striped car, spent a night in jail. Had to move in with my mother. Even today I must choose every word I text her. I am scared she can harm my serenity. You are brave to be around her with her behavor. From my experience, I come better out, if I spend time with my son and avoid meeting her. Something starts to rumble even unconciously when I see her more than I have to. Sobriety is first, children second.

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We had an arguement last night. Over stupid stuff.

She left to go to the bank. Said she was gong to be back quick and make dinner. Three hours later I made dinner.

No big deal other than it was a little late. 9:30.

She had texted me saying shed be home, and I waited another hour. We were all hungry, so I made dinner.

They wanted to watch a movie, so we all started a movie. I knew i was gonna fall asleep. I’ve been on early bird schedule and i have to work

She came home at 1am and was all pissy because i didnt put the boys to bed and let them stay up. We were all snuggled up on the couch together and it was nice. I enjoyed it.

I havent been able to spend much time with them because I’ve been working. I was taking what I could get. They are going back to the sisters tomorrow.

When i checked my phone to see what time it was. I saw i missed some texts because I was sleeping. They were shitty texts from her. It pissed me off.

I went outside to smoke, and she followed me nagging saying more shitty things. I said shitty things back.

Ive done flawless and biting my tongue and rolling with it. Until last night.

I dont want to stay there anymore. I never really did, but it was convenient, so I did.

I have two more days to tell my skipper I cant accept the position. But I think Im going to take it. Im miserable here.

I had flashbacks of when they were little and I knew I was going to file for divorce and i went in there room and watched them sleep knowing I was about to make it hard to see them everyday, and how shitty that felt.

I couldnt stay married to her anymore. I had no idea how hard it would become to see them at all.

Its been a while since she cost me a nights sleep. She was pretty good at it then. Fight all night, and i get to work all day.

Thats how my day is starting…

I feel like im there again. I dont want to stay, but leaving is going to be extremely painful.

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My heart hurts for you Jason, but you’re mental health is right up there with your priorities to your boys. Do they know how it’s been for you, without all the specifics? I think where they’re older they can and will speak up as far as where they want to be, eventually. I’d let them know how it is rn, with her.
Big hug; stay strong.

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I havent really talked about it to them other than im never gonna be out of their life again. I dont know where to begin. I was thinking about it alot today while I was working.

I’ve tried calling my fishing boss all day. No answer. Hes most likely out of cell phone range on a tuna trip.

I saw a facebook post from one of our fishing buddies and he was heading north.

I may have missed my window of the open spot. Maybe he took randy because he had to.

I had a good attitude at work even though I didnt want to. And feel a little better after a productive day. Even though I hate my job, im making pretty good money. Its serving its purpose.

We replace vinyl windows with new, better quality vinyl windows but the job pretty much looks the same when we are done. Not very rewarding. I like to build cool stuff.

Its an old friend. We were good buddies in high school we teamed up for 5 or six years, then i got sober and decided i wanted to move to Oregon.

So hes super stoked to have me back. We have fun working together. I get paid by what I do, not by the hour which is how I prefer it. He was getting pressured to hire another crew, but now that im here he feels like he doesnt have to.

We always stayed in touch. Hes always been a good friend. No beer on the job kinda guy, but he drinks occasionally. So its as safe as it gets in construction for a recovering alcoholic like myself.

I’ve been able to vent today which was nice.

I just got home, nobody is here. There was no shitty notes or anything. She texted me about dinner plans for all of us.

Tonights their last night here for a week. I didnt say anything to horrible fortunatelt last night. We will most likely work it out. Thats the vibe im getting anyway.

Im gonna poke around for other living arrangements this weekend, stay in Utah and keep my promise to the boys, and away from her insanity.

A few days ago, their mom and I were talking about how she wants them in oregon. So I should just keep my head down, work my ass off, save and rent a house when I get back.

I need to keep the peace between us and start warming the boys up to the idea and see how they feel about it.

I already know they love Oregon.

They told me how much they love it there when they got back from their trip. They went to seaside. It doesnt campare to my back yard.

That my goal. Provide a stable environment, nuture their inner artist, do art projects as a family and individually and take them on fishing adventures they will never forget.

Id like to take them to Costa Rica after crab season. Save my beer money and spend it on that!

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Its been a good week so far. The boys will be back friday. Im excited about that.

Im gonna take them to an art supply store and give them free range. Maybe we can spend less time playing video games. fingers crossed

Their mom and I talked. Things are cool between us. I’ve been working long days. Its hot af and I’ve been tired, so i play a couple of games of fortnite with my kids and sleep good.

Ive been minding my own business. The week is flying bye.

I get a four day weekend next week, so we should be able to fish for a couple of days. They are excited to check out the Tibble Fork. So am I.

There has been alcohol in the apartment, but it hasnt been bothering me as far as temptation goes. I’d rather not be around it at all, but its not my place. Not my rules. So I’ve been rolling with it.

I’ve tried to go to a meeting, but they are all closed. The covid scare is back up again, so I dont think they will open up anytime soon.

I really want to feel that nine month chip in my pocket, but I dont see it happening. I think a service position and a weekly homegroup would be good for me while I’m here. Chairing the meeting or being secretary, or cleaning up after.

Covid…

Ive only been to a couple of meetings in the last nine months. I let a couple of members who have treated me like I was a dipshit for relapsing prevent me from wanting to pick up my earlier chips. Newcomer, 30, 60, 90 days. Covid killed my six month. Crabbing was the biggest reason I missed meetings though.

In my small town you get to know people. Its both good and bad. Bad when you learn how fake people can be. The two people who treated me like a dipshit have been sober for a very long time, and I had gotten to know them really well. One burnt me for a significant sum of money on a handshake construction deal. He burnt me. I feel resentful everytime I see him, for him to treat me like a dipshit makes me want to punch him in the face.

But thats not legal, and its drunkard behavior. I’d be really resentful sitting in jail.

I have forgivin my ex wife, and that feels so incredibly freeing. That was the biggest justifiable resentment I have ever had.

Yet I still carry around a billion other resentments against people who have wronged me.

Today at work, I was thinking about one.

My first sponsor 18 years ago. He was a good friend I grew up with. I knew he partied like I did, and had been sober for a few years. I called him for help. He took me to my first non court appointed meeting.

He became my sponsor and we became really close. So I thought.

When I was having problems with my marriage, I would vent to him. Thats what friends/sponsees do. He vented to me while he was getting divorced.

He told her everything I said and added who knows what kind of twist to it because he was having sex with her.

I cant think of a better reason to punch someone in the face.

Ive been dating his sister iff and on the last few years. Shes the Hawaii girl, and she loves her brother, so I have not punched him in the face. And I know that he doesnt like me dating his little sister so I feel somewhat revenged.

Now that we havent been seeing eachother I want to give him the punch in the face he deserves.

I caught myself fantasizing about it today. Would I tap him on the shoulder and sucker punch him? Our would I yell his name and charge him from fifty yards amd ground and pound him.

Then Im thinking wtf is wrong with you. Let it go… its been over ten years since that happened.

Im not gonna lie. I still think punching him in the face sounds like a great day!

I still have alot of work to do in letting go. Good thing im scared of jail and/or prison. His face wont be getting punched.

Overall, life is pretty good and Im super greatful to say its been 246 days since my final relapse.

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Thank you! Means alot!

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People being fake in Utah is kind of it’s own epidemic. I’m in Utah myself and I’ve run into this a lot.

I haven’t read everything you’ve written on this thread, so I don’t know if you mentioned this before now, but seriously I read this and I felt pissed off for you. The fact that you haven’t punched him in the face shows serious restraint. Good on you for real.

This is awesome. Seriously. 246 days is really good. You should definitely be proud especially given everything that you’ve been going through.

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Hows it going brother???

Its going pretty good.

My boys are here and im up early getting ready to go to their grandparents cabin for the weekend.

Theres a beautiful little trout stream close to the cabin.

I had a better week. It wasnt as hot, and work was busy. I made some money.

Last weekend I had four days off and I had told everyone I was getting four days off. So, we made plans accordingly.

I got to take them all day Thursday by myself. We went fishing and had a great day. It was the best day we have had together since I’ve been here.

Friday their mom wanted to come with us. And we were supposed to head up to the cabin last friday and stay until Sunday.

The sister cancelled and wanted the boys home by 8pm friday which ruined our plans. Their mom didnt even try and argue it. So we had to drop everything we had planned.

I was extremely dissapointed. It was pretty early in the day when I found out, and I had to fake being happy for the rest of the day.

We were up in the mountains. On the way back to the city, I started having huge anxiety. I hate the city. Traffic was horrible. I was dreading spending two days off without them in the city.

My head started screaming negativity. I was having a hard time not letting my anger, frustration and dissapointment ruin the rest of the day.

I realized I hadnt eaten much all day, so I took them to their favorite restaurant on their way back to the sisters hoping food would make me feel a little better.

It didn’t. After we dropped them off, I got worse. I was ready to start a war! I knew it wasnt in my best interests to do that, so I didnt.

I knew their mom was going to break out the booze the minute they left. I was correct. It added to my anxiety.

So I hid out in their room. Tried to work on my photos and videos, but lacked focus my mind wouldnt stop racing. I didnt sleep much. I tried unsuccessfully.

The next morning I was reading the forum and saw an inspirational post that hit home. It was what I needed to hear at that moment. I commented and the person messaged me to see if I was ok. It really helped me start to come down from my anxiety attack.

It was the worst attack Ive had.

Their mom came home and we talked. That helped me come back to reality.

It was an impending doom attack. I hate those. I get paranoid. Start thinking everyone and everything is out to get me. My self esteem and confidence turns into shit, and my inner alcoholic starts to get really loud. Fuck everything loud!

Im so far out of my comfort zone here. The boys make it tolerable.

Their mom is way to honest with me about what she does. While they are here she goes and does her thing while I watch them. I dont mind because I get to spend more one on one time, but It puts me in a position where I have to cover for her. I dont like that.

When they arent here, I never know what kind of ackward situation is going to take place. I dont like that either.

Sunday night at 9:30 she asked me to leave for a few hours. Which I did, but its weird knowing what shes doing, and coming back to that.

She prostitutes.

She went out of town for the week which was nice. I worked and had no ackwardness to deal with.

I havent had any luck at finding a place that doesn’t cost alot to get into. Id have to save and have no money to do anything with the boys.

So I keep staying here.

If I say anything or do anything it will start a war, and I will end up going back to Oregon and hate myself for not being able to keep my word.

So I roll with it…

I get to spend quality time with them this weekend so its worth it.

Shes going to be “working” out of town more often which is good too.

Just taking everything one day at a time. Getting through the summer trying to figure out how to make it better for me long term.

If I was drinking, id have burned this place down by now. So I’m greatful I havent drank. 263 days since my final relapse!

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I’ve been here for three almost months now. Time flies even when your way out of your comfort zone.

I dont have to be back to Oregon until mid October, so I’m over half way there.

I feel like I’ve accomplished what I came to do. Reestablish my relationship with my boys. I knew I had to do this if I had any chance at long term sobriety, or any shot at finding inner peace.

Im not feeling the inner peace yet, but I have stayed sober for 274 days which I’m proud of.

It hasnt been easy. I’ve been surrounded by temptation. When the boys arent around, temptation lurks everywhere.

Every visit with them the past three weeks has been cut short, leaving me frustrated, dissapointed, and angry.

My anger from the past resurfaces and feeds my inner alcoholic with plenty of bad ideas that I have somehow managed to not comply with.

A few weeks ago, I was smoking a cigarette outside minding my own business. And a neighbor introduces himself. He offers to sell me extasy, acid, ketamine, and cocaine.

I declined, but temptation was planted.

I have never tried ketamine and have always wanted to.

The last time I did extasy 25 years ago, I had a great time, so my inner addict plays that card.

Cocaine caused me alot of problems years ago so its not as tempting except when my inner alcoholic is playing the everything sucks so you might as well self destruct card.

Besides, i stepped up the cocaine buzz when I tried meth, so if I’m going to waste my time doing cocaine, i might as well do some meth.

Then theres alcohol. When the boys arent around, their mom breaks out the booze. So I end up dodging that bullet. Some days its easy, other days its not.

Last night she had two bottles of expensive booze in the freezer. Good beer in the fridge.

Shes going out of town so I wont have to deal with that.

Her leaving town is something ive known about for weeks. I have planned a trip to the Green river. Im going to rent a drift boat and spend a few days floating and camping with the boys.

I want to, but im already getting the vibe that my visit is going to get cut short because shes going out of town.

So i guess im prepping myself for it now. My inner alcoholic is going to try and get me, if/when that happens.

My anxiety has been off the charts since I got that vibe a couple of days ago.

Watching my ex try and manage her drinking has been good for me. She thinks shes got it under control. I see it getting worse, and her taking bigger risks because control is only an illusion that we fight for when we are in relapse mode.

That is me. That is what I do. Im greatful that I havent started the vicious cycle within myself.

Its better to watch the trainwreck than drive the trainwreck. I cant save her. I never could.

Shes been using meth I suspect.

Her entire lifestyle is self destructive.

My role is to mind my own business and observe.

They start school next month. Their visits will be cut down to the weekends. I dont need to be here for that. I can go home, back to my comfort zone. I will have kept my promise to stay through summer.

The seed has been planted. They are old enough to have a voice. I need to stay on course and be a positive role model. I can do it!

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Its been a rough few days. We have jobs stacked up for work, but none of them have been ready to start, so I’ve been stuck with my anxiety and no where to release it, or distract myself from it.

I was able to get away for a little while yesterday and experiment with a photo location that Ive had my eye on for a while. Its a night location, and I went during the day to see if id be able to access it. Its going to work, so im excited about that.

That was followed with dealing with my kids mom and her stuff adding to my anxiety.

I dont want to disclose too much info, but its alot to deal with. More than I ever imagined. I really dont know how Ive kept my shit together. But I have.

As I suspected was going to happen, I had to cancel my trip to the green river.

Now im begging for scraps, hoping I get to spend the weekend with the boys. Shes going out of town and the sister doesnt feel comfortable leaving me unsupervised.

None of this has ever been fair to me, so Im not surprised. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It makes me angry! It makes me want to lash out, but thanks to there being no alcohol in my system, I haven’t.

Im rolling with it remarkably well. I dont desire a drink today. Its the opposite actually. Im going to stay sober because I know thats not what they want me to do.

I feel like they are setting me up for failure, but that could be anxiety talking. Either way, Im not drinking!

Im really looking forward to going home, back to my comfort zone.

Im feeling really inspired to create epic art!

Its my light at the end of the tunnel!

I can stay sober no matter what life on lifes terms throws at me!

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Right on! You got this. :muscle:t3: Do you meditate at all? Helps a lot with my anxiety.

Yeah, I did after I posted this managed to calm down enough to take a nap. Feeling a little better.

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Good glad to hear! Shit gets so heavy and can consume you. Then the panic sets in… for me anyways.

overwhelmed. All the things Im stressed about get me all at once. I need to vent more.

They say that what doesnt kill you makes you stronger. I’m strong enough! please let me die in peace!

I am extremely greatful to be alive! That part keeps getting better. I wasnt feeling that a couple hundred days ago.

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