Derailment void / Off topic 2021 to present

[anon68572606]

I am no longer commenting on your stance and am continuing to move beyond your shares.

I wish you all the best in your journey.

[Amy30]

I’m confused about this post. As far as I’m aware, this is our first interaction.

Also, yay! Derailed.

[BJM]

Just an fyi, anyone can access and read this forum.
As for AA, guidelines are just that, morals are another, not everyone will follow guidelines and I have many times heard people talking about shares after meetings. We can shut it down and tell people it’s not appropriate and that is can be dangerous but there’s no law.
I stick to the message and practical ways to get and stay sober if asked to share and keep personal stuff between trusted friends or actual professionals not just anyone in AA, other peoples counsellors

[Amy30]

Well… that’s pretty much what I said… Along with the caveat that its not ok to confidently tell someone online that meetings are bound by confidentiality agreements.

And my words were twisted into something sinister and I’m being made up to be the villain. I really don’t understand.

[Dan531]

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[SassyRocks]

@Alycia

sugar free ginger beers

Oh!! What is the brand? I love ginger beer, hate the sugar content.

[Alycia]

Ooo I don’t know if you will be able to get it where you are, in Australia we have a brand called Bundaberg which does great soft drinks!
Aldi also offer a sugar free ginger beer too, if you have Aldi where you are.

[SassyRocks]

Australia has all the goodies!! Thank you, we just got an Aldi’s less than an hour away!

And your post really hit it for me as well. Especially this…

@Alycia

Being able to enjoy Christmas free from addiction, and clearheaded is a gift

[Alycia]

With fresh limes on ice, enjoy!!

[SassyRocks]

Perfection with the limes!!

I moved our side convo here.

[LovelyLya]

I don’t like saying it’s not a choice because that’s basically saying you’re not responsible. That means we can blame every which way because it’s not our fault. We are just like this. I don’t believe that realm of thinking. I believe there’s different levels or degrees of power of choice. But saying we have no choice means we can’t ever choose to change or be sober because it’s literally out of our control.

Having cancer isn’t a choice.
Getting drunk and killing someone in a car that IS a choice.

I have never understood that theory. I believe we can absolutely be weak and absolutely need help to combat our addictions and to flourish in sobriety as a choice but to single handedly say it’s not a choice means every person who’s an addict, who has killed or harmed or done something to someone or themselves under the influence has no accountability, no responsibility and gets off as a free pass. Because we didn’t choose to do it. We may be predisposed to addictive behaviors, etc, we have trauma and unhealthy coping mechanisms, our upbringing, mental health and such which can all be factors influencing and snowballing addictive behaviors and making bad choices.

So the drugs or addiction made me do it? Mmm. Kind of the verison of the devil made me do it.

[Matt]

@LovelyLya

Having cancer isn’t a choice.

It is a choice to get effective treatment for cancer.

The choice is not about having the cancer. It’s about seeking effective treatment.

Addiction is very treatable. The treatment is the choice. The addiction is not.

[LovelyLya]

I guess understanding about mental health - two sides of the coin an individual’s personal choice, addiction itself is a mental disease rather than a continued choice. Perhaps I have been too hard on myself. Sigh. Ty for shining that light.

[Englishd]

@Englishd

I’ve debated for a while whether I should post this or not, especially because most people think I’m an asshole already.

I think it’s great that so many people here are willing to jump in and help with strangers they don’t even know.

But when it comes to Mental Health crisis/breakdowns I hope people can recognize their limitations in delivering help. Often times a person needs specific interventions far more than support, or even worse incorrect interventions. There’s a reason people train for years in delivering crisis intervention services. Over the years I have seen some truly terrifying advice given to people in crisis and bit scares me. I have a fairly extensive training in many of these things and still opt out of jumping in out of fear of making it worse.

It’s great that we all want to be helpful, but sometimes the best help we can give is not getting involved. I’m sure many of you think this doesn’t apply to you, but I ask you to really take a look at whether you are able to safely and competently deliver crisis intervention services,

Gonna also update this to include medical advice. I know there are experts here on harm reduction, mental health, and probably actual doctors. However, it’s impossible for anyone to know if someone is licensed, trained, or possessing expertise. Take all medical advice with a grain of salt or shot of penicillin

[SassyRocks]

@Englishd

Take all medical advice with a grain of salt or shot of penicillin

I would add take all advice on TS with same caution!!

[Englishd]

I get good sobriety advice from here. Also get good advice on running, making fluffernutter sandwiches (Iykyk) and shows to watch

[SassyRocks]

Yes, but not all sobriety advice is good and there is also the whole pie vs cake situation. But if I digress further, it is derailment for me!

[AyBee]

Can you elaborate on this pie vs cake situation?

[Alisa]

It’s the discussion about whether or not to call a Chess pie a cake.
Or Something like that.