What is - 22 friend?!
Hm. Ok. I don’t care so much 
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So why those hearts and smile then ?
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Its like saying to other person - i dont care about what you care and smile into his face… anyway… care or not - it sounds superficial, as this months has deep astrological, pagan and other roots. everything is connected. to look at things seperatly, separate - mine - yours - like - dislike - black - white… it just ignoring the full picture, ignoring others - and this is not where we need to put smiles or hearts… this is saddening to me.
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I will reply here, because that topic has wide circle of people involved. Not directly, but conceptually, as a virtue fundamental roots that unites western culture for decades as this symbolic Christmas Table. And in Baltic Pagan lands, Christmas Eve had even deeper and older roots and traditions about this.
I am not insulted. But I never make jokes, mock, make fun or ignore any spiritual or moral virtues that corelates with light. Yes Christianity is dirty religion, but we are dirty western people aren’t we? Overall this is totally a separate topic from what the message is all about and the roots are even deeper than Christianity or religion itself. If we open heart and trully live it there is nothing wrong with it. “Good Thoughts. Good Words. Good Deeds.” - What can be wrong about it? It’s the interpretations, lack of knowledge, ignorance is what makes it work wrong… And again… Wrong? Bad? It’s not for me to judge. Sometimes we need darkness to get into our lives to finally see the light. We need each others. So it’s sad when we divide, do not recognise the light in each other witch is the main goal…but we tend to look for differences, what divides us. I believe this, I believe that, or I dont believe at all… What does it change?? I see good and bad in both sides, but the worst part in Both sides is - we still divide… I think both parts is lacking each other.
On the end I will say this. It’s hard topics. It recuires certain knowledge to talk this topics and we people tend to make superficial talks about something that really we do not even understand or interpretate, then separate and recreate it once more in our own minds… So I would never understand mocking anyones believes, or make a small talk, small laugh upon topics like that.
It’s layers upon layers, upon layers.
For somene it is just a small talk, small joke and for other it is his whole world, certain believe system, light tower in the windy sea, important part of his journey.
I am not talking about myself and I am not insulted at all, but I just can’t speak against Truth. Its just simply I cant. So I just can’t accept when someone makes fun of it. Again. Not angry. Not insulted. I just can’t accept smiles like that. That’s all.
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@zzz maybe instead of directing comments to @Juli1 when she clearly doesn’t want to engage you could put that energy into focusing on yourself, what you’re doing for your sobriety, and what makes you strong in sobriety.
Just because you don’t share the same views you don’t need to continue to poke for a reaction.
Maybe respect her boundary.
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No. You do not understand. She wrote to me. Pm too. I started to write a reply to her, but then realised because of my views this is nothing that impacts me directly. I do not felt insulted or bad. Maybe a bit sad. It has nothing to do with her, its just my point of view that I just cant act differently. Also that could help @Juli1 to understand my position.
I was thinking not to start this discussion, but from all my heart and respect to others, I felt like I need to explain myself.
I always put time and my energy to respect, listen and answer to others.
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All I wrote is that I don’t care so much about Christmas. As I felt, there is a misunderstanding, I sent you pm.
If it is not acceptable to not care about Christmas, I am done.
Good luck on further journey.
To be transparent >>
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Yes. Saying to someone I dont care much about what you care and put that smile on end… That is respectful… Goodbye then
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I am. I am. Please dont make it more complicated as it is. I just explained myself that seems important to me. That’s all and also could have helped for @Juli1 to better understand my position. There is nothing I can do now and it is really nothing personal. Thank You, and lets move on 
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All of this because someone dared to say that they don’t care too much for Christmas? Without ever even querying why that is the case?
When you find yourself in a hole, it’s generally a good idea to let go of the spade and stop digging…
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I think nothing can be gained from continuing this discussion. The main parties seem to be happy to move on. Lets do so.
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I personally think that nothing can be gained from moderators killing threads which do not fall foul of forum rules, but hey ho.
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Rule/Guideline number 10
Respect the conversation. Stay on topic in a thread and do not derail the discussion.
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Whats there to talk? I said it is nothing personal. It’s not even about what she said, but… Oh… Forget it. Really dont want to go into this. I just mentioned @Juli so she could undestand my views. I am not even angry or mad or anything. Have a good day everyone 
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If nothing else, @zzz’s initial snark towards @Juli1 fell foul of that rule and should have been removed. Instead, it was allowed to continue only because his comments were of a pro-Christian persuasion. There are 5.6 billion people on this beautiful planet that literally couldn’t give a hoot about Christmas!
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Time to take a break 
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