Derailment void / Off topic 2021 to present

Not sure why you felt the need to post this at all. I respect you. You clearly can respect others.

Because it’s true

I am a Christian. I was raised religiously. My higher power used to be God. Now I don’t have a higher power and sobriety is still as hard. I find motivation in smaller things such as liking my sobriety dates. Being able to increase my health. Proper sleep. My job.
I’d say there are infinite ways to get sober. Just do what works for you but be open to considering advice from others. You don’t have to do everything someone advices. It’s your journey and I truly wish you a ton of success

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It might be your truth.

This is why I don’t do social media I’ll see you all in six months or never I don’t fucking know

I am very sorry for contributing to your dislike of social media. I really can understand how you find it frustrating. I do as well, often, such as now. I want to help support the OP and other atheists. I want to help support other members who are showing their support, but perhaps derailing, I want to help support new people who are just confused, I want to help support all of our members. In doing so, I have clearly upset and bewildered you. I apologize and I sincerely hope you will stick around. It is such a fine line and so hard to make our community feel safe for everyone and follow our rules and guidelines. We are all just doing our best here. I hope you will will take care of your self as you know best. :heart:

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I appreciate this so much. I think agnostics and atheists are in the minority and it frequently feels like it’s not a safe space, especially for those of us who have found sobriety outside of ā€œthe rooms.ā€ It matters to me that there are people who will talk about their experiences outside of religious spaces (and I’m not talking about the rooms here, I know higher powers can be something beyond a god figure). So thank you.

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Your posts are not gone, they are in this thread.

That’s for a large part because people don’t differentiate between spiritual and religious…
Anyway, to me it feels people are trying to differentate themselves from others while the focus should be on what we have in common.

Whether you’re christian, muslim, atheist, buddhist or whatever, focus on the fact that you’re here because you’re an addict.

Just a comment to all, not to you specifically…

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Tho some of us do not label ourselves as addicts either. :slightly_smiling_face:

I 100% agree we are all here for sobriety, support and community and appreciate you saying so.

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That doesn’t mean they are not :wink:

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I’m not sure what you mean by that but I would say for myself the label just doesn’t help me.

Luckily not my call on whether anyone other than myself identifies as an addict or is an addict.

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This is getting offtopic :stuck_out_tongue:

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Then forget about that label. But regardless of how we call ourselves, we didn’t sign up here without a reason…

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In the program i have known plenty of atheists and agnostics. It is true that the word God or higher power is thrown around a lot in the literature but it in no way means that you have to believe in an actual God. Your higher power can be the program. It can be whatever spiritual practice or thing you want it to be. Most atheists chose to make the program or the fellowship of AA their higher power. It is possible to take this approach in AA and have long and lasting sobriety. I have seen it with my own eyes. Don’t quit the program. Maybe find a sponsor who doesn’t prejudge you but i beg you to find the program that works for you and to never give up on recovery.

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Agree 100% with this. And, there’s zero God talk at the daily meeting I attend, so that’s a bonus!

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I guess it’s the beauty and the challenge of all volunteer led programs in particular, they will reflect the local group that are running it. I imagine it varies hugely from group to group on how much emphasis there is on different aspects.

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Absolutely! In my experience, it was a bit like finding a therapist. I had to shop around to find a good fit.

I hear what ur saying. And I absolutly do not think that ur displeasing God or being a coward if you don’t speak on God. God is very accepting and understanding and truly does met each person where they are at. I feel like God would want me to help others and speak of Him by showing others how He has worked in my life. But if others dont accept God fod whatever reason… that is ok too. It truly isnt my place to judge or to tell someone what works. Thats up to them to discover what works for them. I didn’t always believe in God like I do today. Actually for 20 years or so I really struggled with the word God. I did have a concept of a higher power but it wasn’t God. But I do absolutly agree in the sense that we need something greater than ourselves that can restore us to sanity. Whatever that is for a person is personal to them. When I talk on here in posts or checkins about my connection to God I try to remember to use the term Higher Power. Bcuz I would never want something I say to completely shut someone down who doesn’t necessarily believe or hasn’t come to believe in God yet. Higher Power is more of a generic term I guess. But we all start somewhere. And I truly believe that God helps me to show others in my life that there is something out there greater than ourselves, and that maybe God isn’t such a scary thing after all. My husband is an atheist. But I show him thru my actions that I’m changing. He begins to wonder why and how I’m doing this. And then I tell him about God. And I plant that seed. And its up to him. Even on here I just talk about how God helps me. We dont always have to necessarily talk or preach about God to show how God is working in our lives. People will see it. That’s what attracted me to God. Bcuz I was soo desperate to get clean that I pushed aside any misconceptions I had of God and gave it a try. Literally I had nothing to lose by trying. And I’m soo glad I did. Bcuz God is sooo good :slight_smile: I wouldn’t delete ur account if u really don’t want to. Ur knowledge is valuable here too!

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