Derailment void / Off topic 2021 to present

Brother Brad ~ I respect your position, however, without a higher power, we will fail. This is the point of Step 2 in AA. Self power and good intentions are lies! The devil wants you to not believe in a higher power. Continue to be on this platform. We need your support and input. Don’t delete your account. May you find peace and spiritual strength during this time.

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Absolutely… there are many ways people get clean and sober. God is what works for me but honestly I just want to see people become free frok addiction.And whatever ends up working for them, is okay by me :slight_smile:

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Right on @Butterflymoonwoman!

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Absolutely… forcing religion or any belief in someone is actually harmful in my opinion. It creates a dislike. I hated when people would preach to me about God when I wasn’t ready to hear it. So that why I try not to do that. I just share my experiences with God but I don’t push it. People need to come to that decision on their own. I did :slight_smile:

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Agreed. But it does sadden me that so many people miss out on AA because they refuse ANY type of Higher Power. I do understand that we can only pray for those still trying to run on self will. I also get that AA is not a fit for everyone.

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It can be frustrating when we believe so strongly about something. Sometimes when others don’t believe in God, it bugs me bcuz I want so badly for them to see how amazing God is. But ultimately I have no control over others or what they think or do or what they believe in. It’s hard for sure… If that thread is bothering u and u find urself returning to it, would muting the thread and having it not appear on ur page help? I mute certain threads so that they don’t show up and I’m not seeing them at all. Certain threads that are super triggering for me, I just mute them for now.

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That is not the case. We have 8 active mods here on the forum. I’m a mod and not an atheist. AA and this forum have been my main tools. I have not checked out that thread at all because it doesn’t appeal to me. Even though I don’t share their beliefs, I can still find similarities when they post on other threads. We all have different recovery paths but aiming for the same outcome. Maybe consider muting that thread. This way it won’t show up in your feed and you won’t be inclined to click on it.

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Nobody is haulting your fredom of speech, we just ask that everyone be respectful of each other. We recently did a big book study on here and those who don’t follow AA respected our space and did not post. We don’t have to interact on every topic that comes up.

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Everyone has their own journey. There were many, many times that I wanted to get support too but I just wasn’t ready to “go to any lengths” (for me this means, getting rid of any old past beliefs or attitudes towards a Higher Power, and learning everything brand new, as if spirituality had never been "tainted for me). Doesn’t mean that I don’t want support or that I don’t want to quit using. I still was holding onto control and trying to run the show. It took me 22 years to finally surrender everything. By going to any lengths, I discovered God. It’s not our place to take others inventory or to tell them what they need to do to gain long term sobriety or to judge where they are on their journey. We just share our experience, strength, and hope and hope that they take something from it that they can add to their lives :slight_smile:

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How do I mute this Atheist thread?
I don’t want to see it. Any advice?

I put up instructions a few days ago. Here’s the link:

Thank you @Lisa07 for your help. I appreciate your strength. Take care, Mike

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Brother Brad- let’s talk on the level. You seem off today. In the past, you are searching or supporting on this platform. Today is different. What is going on? Yes, the devil is real and it will continue to haunt you if you let it. Life is a struggle. Take some time to meditate tonight and write down what you are grateful for. Your higher power is alive and waiting to hear from you. Much love brother, I hope you find peace tonight. No need for debates. :facepunch:t2:

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Amen! @Lorelai

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It would really be awful to lose a support for urself over something u have no control over. Live and let live :slight_smile: they do their thing and u do urs. What works for u or me or others may not work for someone else. And that is okay. When ever something is bothering me, I talk to God about it. Pray about it and see what comes up for you :slight_smile:

@Lorelai - you provided clarity. Much appreciated ~

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Lol it’s okay… things happen for a reason :slight_smile: I’m not upset or mad. I can always start another one or just keep adding to this one :smiley: but thank u for the apology

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Dana - Please give me a few minutes and I’ll clean up your thread. I’m going to move our discussion with Farmer to the derailment thread. Now that he’s gone the conversations doesn’t make much sense anyway.

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@Butterflymoonwoman @Lorelai thank you both for your approach here. I am sad to see that my belief (or lack of) has been so problematic for someone but really appreciate how you both responded. Tolerant, compassionate and kind :sparkling_heart:

So happy to be on this forum along side people from a broad range of backgrounds, beliefs and approaches.

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At least you’re not alone. I brought all of us here. LOL!
I’m with @siand…Thank you for being so compassionate, kind and patient.

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