It’s an old dance we have been perfecting for years.
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You’re a good dance partner 
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Haha, don’t take the piss!
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I really think that accountability is important. We remain sobriety with the ‘intention’ of not relapsing. It is like oh I am going to sober up but there’s room for relapse possibly leaves a denotation that the commitment really isn’t concrete.
Yes if you do relapse it’s a learning experience and we go back to it.
No matter how fucking hard it is. We are dealing with trauma which is harder and scarier. This is just scary. Sobering up our emotions. The emptiness. The loneliness. The trauma. The void. The ‘self.’ Who are we? What have we experienced? When will we stop to truly be felt? Perhaps we never felt.
So many deeper sense of the healing and recovery.
Doesn’t mean we don’t have to practice every single day or maybe even every single moment.
It’s a life change, mind change, a behavior change - it’s reinventing who you are as what you would like to be and not the drug of choice that changes you into something you are not.
That’s what I have gained from this thread.
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Sexy spicy lol
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Y’all need Musashi.
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For me, admitting I was alcoholic was pretty damned liberating. It made it easy to say that I don’t have the upper hand when it comes to alcohol.
I’ll take being an alcoholic over being a drunk any day.
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Words have whatever power you give them.
Nerd used to be “derogatory” and it’s been owned and used to people’s benefit, same with losers, weirdos, freaks. If you own the word, embrace it, how could it be used in a negative connotation against you?
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I’m an Alcoholic. When I’m in the rooms, I’m with fellow alcoholics.
When I’m outside of the rooms, I’m with fellow human beings. Some of whom know that I’m an alcoholic. But most don’t. I’m just Geoff.
Owning the fact that I am an alcoholic was the best thing I did. It allowed me to have some control back on my life.
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Schrodinger’s cat @Bootz. I’m not an alcoholic until I say I am. But is admitting it what makes me an alcoholic? Leave me alone. I’m tired.
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I love how people are still debating the disease aspect of addiction. Every reputable medical provider disagrees. It’s no longer an opinion to say it’s not a disease. It’s a misstatement of fact
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The definition of a disease according to Merriam Webster. I’d say alcoholism falls into this category.
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Semantics. It’s a medical problem. Just like Bi-polar
Mental illness is what brought most of us here…
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I think we attach too much of our own ego to whatever method we’ve chosen to guide us toward the goal of sobriety, which in my method is the disciplined mastery of self.
So we get understandably defensive when the efficacy of our chosen approach is questioned, or the program itself attacked.
There’s a reason why there are dozens of car makers and a plethora of models within: because we each have different needs, tastes, and responses to aesthetics and performance.
There’s a reason why I like meatballs on my pizza, and believe pineapple on a pizza is for philistines.
There’s a reason why there are many religions, and sects, denominations, and traditions therein.
And there’s a reason why I’ll never pooh-pooh any formal program, because some have for their own reasons chosen that approach, anymore than I’d pooh-pooh one martial art because it’s different from the one’s I’ve chosen: If they didn’t work for at least a few, they wouldn’t survive.
At least that’s the way I see it. Your mileage may vary.
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“Many of us have been UNWILLING to admit we were alcoholics. No person likes to Think that they are bodily and mentally different than their fellows”
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