Now move it back!
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Lol, baby steps
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God gave us our gracious Beard
Long live our noble Beard
God save the Beard
Send him victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Beard
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I approave of this message
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Now I want to find out what my average speed is⌠Probably not that fast. I donât go many placesâŚ
That isnât true- hence my initial post
You donât have to be religious for AA to work for you, Iâm certainly not. Itâs all about fellowship and mutual support
Just curious, do you believe in 13 stepping or is that nonsense too?
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It happens, but those are often predatory assholes using the âmagicâ of their time sober to hit on people in a weak state. I donât know what you mean by âbelieve in,â I clearly stated I believe in anyoneâs right to believe in anything that doesnât hurt others, so your arrest at insulting me fails through your terrible use of language. Do I think that any unhealthy relationship, regardless of sobriety, should be pursued, is a no-brainer. Do I believe that people should not get into relations in their first year of sobriety, no, I think it is bullshit. Just because people get sober, doesnât change the fact they may be attracted to someone, they may meet their life partner, they may get fucked over by an asshole but thatâs life. The big book doesnât mention anything about this, and shouldnât.
Hitting on wasted, helpless or weak people is vicious and pathetic. We have laws to try and combat it.
So while I donâ really get what you mean by belief in a thirteenth step, this is my reply.
Stephen
Dear Stephen
Are we policing posts for language and grammatical errors now? If so I can point out the incorrect use of different commas within your post.
In regards to 13th stepping: Youâre asking a female new to recovery to inbox you to speak about your ârecovery methodsâ, this isnât appropriate, why donât you share with the wider group instead?
Kind Regards
Darren (BA, MA)
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@DarrenUK @StephenUys These were skewing off the original topic, and unnecessarily personal. Letâs please stay on point and keep it civil.
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Apologies- I just wish these keyboard warriors were as brave face to face 
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He has 54 years sober, and completely hates the dogmatic approach to AA.
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Now THAT is fascinating.
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I agree, thatâs wild!
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It is, but I would say 70% of the AA groups here (roughly 700 a week pre covid) has had his influence over the years. A very unique AA experience from what I have seen.
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There was one way back when I first started
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Yup itâs been done a couple times. Donât forget that when you are curious about something you can always search for the keywords!
Hereâs a link to one we did last year.
https://talkingsober.com/t/sober-book-club-on-zoom/111607
We did it via zoom. I didnât end up participating as much as Iâd like but Iâd say itâs worth trying again!
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I loved that book club! I admit I only came to a few sessions but they were fantastic. Would happily join another one @BroccoliHighKicks
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Actually @BroccoliHighKicks - funny enough - I am currently doing a (virtual) book club with a friend of mine. She and I are reading his first major book, Maps of Meaning, which dates back to before he was (ahem) a cause cÊlèbre.
The executive summary is itâs interesting as a cultural study. It is quite long winded and frankly⌠thereâs a lot of superfluous verbiage. But it is interesting how he ties things together in his argument about possible origins of evil / deviant behaviour.
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