Maybe we should stop getting so hung up on the “most, some, all, many” thing. Awful people are everywhere. Regardless of gender/race/culture/country. If you are fortunate to live in a place where gender equality is actively being changed- consider yourself lucky, and be a part of that change. In more underdeveloped countries or places where old culture and thinking is still the norm- I feel for the women who cannot get justice, as well as the men who are living genuine lives and treat women with respect while others are harming. But this unfortunately is everywhere. Be a good person, treat others with respect, and advocate that others do the same.
Those who get defensive I believe do so because no one wants to be lumped into a category when they themselves are not contributing to the problem.
As far as men and women being friends? I’ve had many male friends over the years, some I found later had other feelings I was not aware of, some are just friends. I can’t control who feels what. As long as they respect boundaries.
Just my 2 cents.
I’m sorry - I think I may have been unclear there. I was being ironic: me saying “Are we clear” was in reference to how the whole language “debate” here is unclear and distracting. My point was that we know the original meme could not have meant “all men” - any one of us knows that not all men have done that; even if we limit it to ourselves and we know just ‘I haven’t done that’, it means there’s at least one man who hasn’t done it - and for the same reason it can’t be “no men” (obviously at least one man has done it - there are proven cases of this where the man himself has admitted it).
So if it can’t be “all men” or “no men”, then the only options left for the phrase “Men …” must be “Some men” or “Most men”. As you yourself observed, the idea that it’s “most men” (the majority of men) is disturbing and likely not true.
If are offended by a meme that calls out men regarding sexual endeavors you clearly need to check your own behavior. You’re not a man, you’re a boy.
Real men saw that meme and knew it didn’t apply to them. They knew that meme is based in a lot of truth. They knew that women have to deal with a lot more shit than will ever understand.
Also, real hypocritical of a few of you to get so offended when I’ve seen your previous posts telling other people to stop being so offended.
Specially to edited to preserve the post. @eke sad face
No Seinfeld you poor people. How do you live over there?
You do know Jerry Seinfeld at least right?
He’s a stand up comedian? One of the best. And clean good humor.